Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Joe Blogs]

You don’t sit down if your daughter is threatening you with the blunt end of a shotgun, giving her an opportunity she wouldn’t have had otherwise to bash you in the head, that’s just ridiculous.

I never said Sheila was threatening Nevill before she hit him, Vertigo!
I said she snapped and took him by surprise.

[APRIL]

But surely it does tell us who the killer was, Caroline! You see, if we accept that the police did not move Nevill, and accept that the Aga burned Nevills back, then this can only mean that the burns were formed much earlier on when Nevill was still alive! Roughly between 12.00-3.00.
Doesn't that scenario rule out Bamber?

How does it? Are you accepting as true the times he gives? We only have his word for it and as there's no one alive to dispute them,he can say whatever fits with his story, can't he?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I never said Sheila was threatening Nevill before she hit him, Vertigo!
I said she snapped and took him by surprise.

So he sits down before she has the gun in her arms?

[Joe Blogs]

How does it? Are you accepting as true the times he gives? We only have his word for it and as there's no one alive to dispute them,he can say whatever fits with his story, can't he?

But, April, we are governed by the phone call that JB made to the police around 3.30!
Dont you see, this means the only two possible times that the burns could have formed were either 'before' 3.30 or after!
The 3.30 phone call breaks the night into two parts as it were!
OK, we know JB was back home to his cottage before 3.30 when he called the police, right? So if the police didn't move Nevill from the Aga to the scuttle after entry, JB must have left him in that position if guilty, right?
So in that case, just when on earth were the burns formed by Nevill lying against the Aga??
It means that if JB is guilty then a similar scenario to the Sheila one took place where Nevill was against the Aga for a few hours and then somehow ended up on the scuttle before JB exited the house , right?
But this obviously means that JB broke in around 11.30 to kill his family and did not leave until around 2,30 once the burns were formed and Nevill moved or got moved to the scuttle, right? Which is just nonsense surely???
No, if the Aga burned Nevills back, and I sincerely believe without a doubt that it did, then it is very,very unlikely, if not impossible that Jeremy Bamber killed his family!

[Joe Blogs]

So he sits down before she has the gun in her arms?

Unlikely,Vertigo, if Sheila was in the kitchen, then she had probably already retrieved the rifle from the bench beside the back door.

[APRIL]

But, April, we are governed by the phone call that JB made to the police around 3.30!
Dont you see, this means the only two possible times that the burns could have formed were either 'before' 3.30 or after!
The 3.30 phone call breaks the night into two parts as it were!
OK, we know JB was back home to his cottage before 3.30 when he called the police, right? So if the police didn't move Nevill from the Aga to the scuttle after entry, JB must have left him in that position if guilty, right?
So in that case, just when on earth were the burns formed by Nevill lying against the Aga??
It means that if JB is guilty then a similar scenario to the Sheila one took place where Nevill was against the Aga for a few hours and then somehow ended up on the scuttle before JB exited the house , right?
But this obviously means that JB broke in around 11.30 to kill his family and did not leave until around 2,30 once the burns were formed and Nevill moved or got moved to the scuttle, right? Which is just nonsense surely???
No, if the Aga burned Nevills back, and I sincerely believe without a doubt that it did, then it is very,very unlikely, if not impossible that Jeremy Bamber killed his family!

Okay, so we know JB called police from his cottage, and we know -roughly- what time he called. What we don't know is what time he got back to the cottage from WHF. I don't believe it would have taken him the 3 hours you're suggesting to dispatch the family. Given that Nevill was found with his head in a coal scuttle, and there has never been a previous suggestion of him being anywhere other, you appear to be the only poster -between the two forum known to me- who puts this theory forward.

[The General]

I never said Sheila was threatening Nevill before she hit him, Vertigo!
I said she snapped and took him by surprise.

She snapped, went to the gun cupboard, unlocked it, found the gun, checked the breach, loaded it, waltzed back out, didn't shoot him with it, but decided to take him on physically and bludgeoned him unconscious in a manner you can't conceive let alone describe. And Nevill just sat there while she armed herself.
It's imbecilic.

[The General]

Yes, and its pretty obvious the silencer was never on the rifle either, why would the killer chase Nevill to the kitchen and immediately take it off before proceeding to prod him?

Here it is, finally, the massive hole in your narrative and you still haven't spotted it.
I'll wait a wee while to see if you can connect the dots. As soon as you put it together your story will unravel.

[Myster]

She snapped, went to the gun cupboard, unlocked it, found the gun, checked the breach, loaded it, waltzed back out, didn't shoot him with it, but decided to take him on physically and bludgeoned him unconscious in a manner you can't conceive let alone describe. And Nevill just sat there while she armed herself.
It's imbecilic.

Bamber claimed he left the rifle out, leaning against the settle with a 10-round loaded magazine on its seat in the rear hall/scullery, and that Sheila saw it as a sign that she could/should use it to kill her family.  Utter bollix, as you would say.

Settle on the left under a coat-rack here...

[The General]

Bamber claimed he left the rifle out, leaning against the settle with a 10-round loaded magazine on its seat in the rear hall/scullery, and that Sheila saw it as a sign that she could/should use it to kill her family.  Utter bollix, as you would say.

Settle on the left under a coat-rack here...

Always good to receive accurate information from an expert.
It's been a while since I rabbit-holed this. I've retained a lot of it, but these details I just take a fly at instead of researching.
Did he visit the farm the day before? Again, I can't remember, but I have a vague notion of him premeditating.

[Myster]

Always good to receive accurate information from an expert.
It's been a while since I rabbit-holed this. I've retained a lot of it, but these details I just take a fly at instead of researching.
Did he visit the farm the day before? Again, I can't remember, but I have a vague notion of him premeditating.

He worked there every day at rapeseed harvest time early August, toiling on his tractor from dawn to dusk.

[APRIL]

Always good to receive accurate information from an expert.
It's been a while since I rabbit-holed this. I've retained a lot of it, but these details I just take a fly at instead of researching.
Did he visit the farm the day before? Again, I can't remember, but I have a vague notion of him premeditating.

There's a strong possibility that he would have. Workers, during harvest, start at first light, usually stopping for breakfast around 10am. It's reasonable to assume JB wouldn't have made sandwiches before leaving Goldhanger so I'm guessing that breakfast was provided by June or Jean (housekeeper).

[Vertigo Swirl]

Unlikely,Vertigo, if Sheila was in the kitchen, then she had probably already retrieved the rifle from the bench beside the back door.

So he sits down to enable her to smash him round the head with a rifle.  Got ya.

[Joe Blogs]

Okay, so we know JB called police from his cottage, and we know -roughly- what time he called. What we don't know is what time he got back to the cottage from WHF. I don't believe it would have taken him the 3 hours you're suggesting to dispatch the family. Given that Nevill was found with his head in a coal scuttle, and there has never been a previous suggestion of him being anywhere other, you appear to be the only poster -between the two forum known to me- who puts this theory forward.

You said it, April!  IT WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN JB THREE HOURS TO KILL HIS FAMILY!!! Nuff said!

[Joe Blogs]

She snapped, went to the gun cupboard, unlocked it, found the gun, checked the breach, loaded it, waltzed back out, didn't shoot him with it, but decided to take him on physically and bludgeoned him unconscious in a manner you can't conceive let alone describe. And Nevill just sat there while she armed herself.
It's imbecilic.

Sheila had already retrieved the rifle before Nevill found her in the kitchen, General!