Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[Joe Blogs]

Oh yes, Sheila did everything while Nevill was knocked out between 12.00pm & 3.00am.

Yes, that is correct, Adam!
It is the only scenario that fits if we accept that the Aga caused the burns, else the police moved Nevill upon entry of course, take your pick!

[APRIL]

I believe this is the only theory that fits unless you believe that the police moved Nevill from the Aga to the scuttle after entering the Whitehouse, April!
Someone with a fractured skull would be unaware they were being slowly burned by the Aga, and their actions upon recovering conciousness would be muddled and unpredictable.

So muddled and unpredictable that he took the time to clean his blood from the Aga before looking up phone number and calling JB and police? Just a thought! How, with a smashed jaw and missing teeth? did he manage to talk to them without them realizing he was crippled by his injuries?

[Joe Blogs]

So muddled and unpredictable that he took the time to clean his blood from the Aga before looking up phone number and calling JB and police? Just a thought! How, with a smashed jaw and missing teeth? did he manage to talk to them without them realizing he was crippled by his injuries?

No no, April you're jumping forward in the scenario!
Nevill had no gunshot wounds inflcted on him while he lay against the Aga, only a beating from the rifle!
So no blood on the Aga and quite capable of speech on coming round again!
The gunshot wounds came later as a shaken brain injured Nevill accended the stairs to meet Sheila!

[Vertigo Swirl]

No no, April you're jumping forward in the scenario!
Nevill had no gunshot wounds inflcted on him while he lay against the Aga, only a beating from the rifle!
So no blood on the Aga and quite capable of speech on coming round again!
The gunshot wounds came later as a shaken brain injured Nevill accended the stairs to meet Sheila!

Why when she?d blithely shot everyone else did she not shoot her father when he lay on the ground propped up by the Aga?

[APRIL]

No no, April you're jumping forward in the scenario!
Nevill had no gunshot wounds inflcted on him while he lay against the Aga, only a beating from the rifle!
So no blood on the Aga and quite capable of speech on coming round again!
The gunshot wounds came later as a shaken brain injured Nevill accended the stairs to meet Sheila!

Then I support the poster who claimed that at 5'7" and weighing 8.5 stone, a fully medicated and drowsy Sheila, who's lifestyle was more couch potato than athlete, wouldn't have been able to overpower her fit, 6'4" father. I think you need to brush up on the effects of concussion!

[APRIL]

Why when she?d blithely shot everyone else did she not shoot her father when he lay on the ground propped up by the Aga?

Exactly! It appears that her aim was to kill everyone and in Joe's scenario she had a sitting -or should that be a laying- duck. Why not use it to advantage?

[Joe Blogs]

Why when she?d blithely shot everyone else did she not shoot her father when he lay on the ground propped up by the Aga?

I dont know, Vertigo! Maybe she thought that she had killed him anyway, as long as he was subdued and unable to stop her killing June and the boys I dont suppose she cared!
Maybe she had to bash him over the head because the magazine wasn't inserted into the rifle at that point, who knows!
Point is, if the Aga caused the burns then the possible scenarios are very limited.
Do you think the Aga caused the burns, Vertigo?
Personally, I think anyone who doesn't think so is only delaying the inevitable, as it were!

[Joe Blogs]

Then I support the poster who claimed that at 5'7" and weighing 8.5 stone, a fully medicated and drowsy Sheila, who's lifestyle was more couch potato than athlete, wouldn't have been able to overpower her fit, 6'4" father. I think you need to brush up on the effects of concussion!

Yes, I keep hearing about Sheila being unable to overpower Nevill, April! But it wasn't a wrestling match!
One unexpected swing of the rifle from someone in a psychotic state and it was all over for big Nev, as General calls him!
Quite possible, April, quite possible!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I dont know, Vertigo! Maybe she thought that she had killed him anyway, as long as he was subdued and unable to stop her killing June and the boys I dont suppose she cared!
Maybe she had to bash him over the head because the magazine wasn't inserted into the rifle at that point, who knows!
Point is, if the Aga caused the burns then the possible scenarios are very limited.
Do you think the Aga caused the burns, Vertigo?
Personally, I think anyone who doesn't think so is only delaying the inevitable, as it were!

In your version of events She had a gun in her hands and shot everyone else multiple times each.  The idea that she thought a bash to the head for her dad would suffice is frankly preposterous.  I don?t know why you are fixating on the aga burns.  Please explain why it would have been impossible for Nevill to have sustained these injuries with Bamber as the protagonist .

[APRIL]

I dont know, Vertigo! Maybe she thought that she had killed him anyway, as long as he was subdued and unable to stop her killing June and the boys I dont suppose she cared!
Maybe she had to bash him over the head because the magazine wasn't inserted into the rifle at that point, who knows!
Point is, if the Aga caused the burns then the possible scenarios are very limited.
Do you think the Aga caused the burns, Vertigo?
Personally, I think anyone who doesn't think so is only delaying the inevitable, as it were!

Maybe's, possibly's and perhaps's won't cut the mustard, Joe, it's all theory. The best you can say re the Aga causing the burns is "IF" -and here I'm prepared to add one of my own! "IF" they were burns caused by the Aga, it doesn't mean JB is innocent. An unsafe conviction doesn't make him innocent, either. Are you happy with the idea of a convicted murderer being free on maybe's, may haves, possibly's and perhaps's?

[Joe Blogs]

In your version of events She had a gun in her hands and shot everyone else multiple times each.  The idea that she thought a bash to the head for her dad would suffice is frankly preposterous.  I don?t know why you are fixating on the aga burns.  Please explain why it would have been impossible for Nevill to have sustained these injuries with Bamber as the protagonist .

We dont know what Sheila's plans were initially, Vertigo, or who she set out to kill!
She had to end up shooting June in the head because the body shots failed to kill her in bed!
Having witnessed this, Sheila made no such mistake with the boys, shooting them several times in the head only!
Sheila had to make things up on the hop, she had no real idea what damage the rifle was capable of inflicting!

[Vertigo Swirl]

We dont know what Sheila's plans were initially, Vertigo, or who she set out to kill!
She had to end up shooting June in the head because the body shots failed to kill her in bed!
Having witnessed this, Sheila made no such mistake with the boys, shooting them several times in the head only!
Sheila had to make things up on the hop, she had no real idea what damage the rifle was capable of inflicting!

So having bopped her dad on the head leaving him possibly still alive she then became so intent on murder that she went upstairs and shot her mother and two little boys numerous times in the head?  Nah.

[Joe Blogs]

So having bopped her dad on the head leaving him possibly still alive she then became so intent on murder that she went upstairs and shot her mother and two little boys numerous times in the head?  Nah.

Why not, Vertigo? Someone did!
Anyway! Lets start at the beginning, what do you think caused the burns to Nevills back?
What is the most likely cause or reason for them even?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why not, Vertigo? Someone did!
Anyway! Lets start at the beginning, what do you think caused the burns to Nevills back?
What is the most likely cause or reason for them even?

No idea.  How about you answer my question first though which was why the burns on his back mean Bamber couldn?t have been responsible for them?

[Joe Blogs]

You see people, Mr Philip Boyce has really got the JB guilters in a bit of a bind with his Aga burn theory, it just doesn't fit into the scenario put forward at trial at all!
That is, if the burns took anything like an hour or more to form, just where can this be inserted?
The Crown case has Nevill being firstly shot in bed before being pursued by Bamber soon after to be beaten and shot to death in the kitchen while slumped over the scuttle! The police case doesn't allow for any opportunity nor time needed to burn Nevills back on the Aga knobs!
There is nowhere the Aga evidence can be inserted in their scenario, nowhere at all!!
That is why most guilters just refuse to accept Boyce's theory, instead they claim the burns were caused by some unknown object to check for signs of life.Whether they actually believe that, I do not know!
Why are the marks different shapes and sizes if they were made by the rifle or any other solitary artticle?
The top mark even looks oval, resembling the knob on the Aga!
Anyway, the CCRC has the Aga evidence as you know, so its down to them!
In the mean time, all we can do is look at the implications of the Aga evidence if accepted, and as far as I can see there are only two possibilities, either Sheila is guilty and the Aga burned Nevills back between 12.00-3.00 after being knocked out! Or the CT are right and Nevill was beaten and shot to death 'before' falling against the Aga around 3.30, meaning that the police did indeed move Nevill from the Aga to the scuttle after entry around 7.40.
The problem with the CT scenario is, just how can we tell who shot and killed Nevill at 3.30 and left him lying against the Aga? I just dont see how this scenario clears Bamber? Why couldn't it have been him that killed Nevill before leaving? Not at 3.30 of course, if JB is guilty then he would have killed everyone and left the Whitehouse around 2.30.
And if the CT are correct, it means all injuries were inflicted to Nevill before falling against the Aga, including the final four head shots, so where was Nevill sitting when the four head shots were inflicted? And why was there no blood stains to prove this, say on the table?
There was certainly no blood on the Aga nor on the floor if Nevill was shot before falling, and no blood had ran onto his pyjama top either!
Realistically, Nevills final position in the crime scene photos fit perfectly! The blood on the scuttle and the floor fits, and Nevills final position is ideal for the final four head shots, two to the top and two above the right ear!
Anyways, if the Aga burns are accepted, that is your only two choices as far as I can see, either the burns happened between 12.00-3.00 when Nevill was still alive but injured, or they happened later on between 2.30?-7.40 and Nevill was then moved to the scuttle when the police entered!
Any other Aga burn scenarios out there?