Why Robert Murat became a suspect and then an arguido.

[pegasus]

Someone asked what the man who was translating on the night of the 3rd was wearing.
Here is IMO possibly the only description of that in the files

"the witness says he is not certain but thinks he was wearing dark coloured trousers, he can't remember the colour, and a T-shirt, perhaps dark grey in colour and perhaps a jacket, the characteristics of which he cannot describe"

Source: rob statement 16 May 2007

[bros]

Let try to refresh  everything in connection with RM and MW.

I am amazed with the speed RM left UK on 1st of May.  He decided to travel and he traveled the same day. He book the ticket  at 02:00am and he traveled at 7:00 am same day.

Up to now I can count more than 10 deviation in his statements between interrogation in May and July. As he found that police are using pings from his mobile phone to check  if his statements in May are true where he was prior to the night of May 3.

 

[Victoria]

Let try to refresh  everything in connection with RM and MW.

I am amazed with the speed RM left UK on 1st of May.  He decided to travel and he traveled the same day. He book the ticket  at 02:00am and he traveled at 7:00 am same day.

Up to now I can count more than 10 deviation in his statements between interrogation in May and July. As he found that police are using pings from his mobile phone to check  if his statements in May are true where he was prior to the night of May 3.

Why do you find it amazing that he booked and travelled on the same day? He wasn't booking a package holiday or something that requires a lot of planning. Just a plane ticket to take him between two homes. People with two homes, or people who work in different countries travel between them at the drop of a hat all the time. Really not at all unusual.

[bros]

Why do you find it amazing that he booked and travelled on the same day? He wasn't booking a package holiday or something that requires a lot of planning. Just a plane ticket to take him between two homes. People with two homes, or people who work in different countries travel between them at the drop of a hat all the time. Really not at all unusual.

1. Murat departing UK was defined urgent by him not by me. He stated that he need to save some business deal as I remember.....

2. He slept no more than 3 hours if you try to count.

3.His dear lady MW in her first police interview never mentioned this RM need for urgency since she was there aware fully with his arrival and what proceeded after.  We will come to this in the next issues which I plan refreshing here.

[Victoria]

1. Murat departing UK was defined urgent by him not by me. He stated that he need to save some business deal as I remember.....

2. He slept no more than 3 hours if you try to count.

3.His dear lady MW in her first police interview never mentioned this RM need for urgency since she was there aware fully with his arrival and what proceeded after.  We will come to this in the next issues which I plan refreshing here.

Before moving onto any other issues, you would be better off clarifying the one you have already raised. Why are you 'amazed' at the speed with which a person can travel between the uk and Portugal?

[Carana]

Let try to refresh  everything in connection with RM and MW.

I am amazed with the speed RM left UK on 1st of May.  He decided to travel and he traveled the same day. He book the ticket  at 02:00am and he traveled at 7:00 am same day.

Up to now I can count more than 10 deviation in his statements between interrogation in May and July. As he found that police are using pings from his mobile phone to check  if his statements in May are true where he was prior to the night of May 3.

Where does that information come from?

He booked his ticket on 30 April according to the files.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P6/06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1468.jpg

[bros]

Do you have time when it was booked info might be off for few hours  time I read at other forum suggested between 23-02. Since he went to sleep at his sister place Stephanie who took him to airport.

[Carana]

Do you have time when it was booked info might be off for few hours  time I read at other forum suggested between 23-02. Since he went to sleep at his sister place Stephanie who took him to airport.

No the sheet just says "create date" 30/4.

As I haven't found anything else in the files, I'm inclined to think that the 2am "booking" is a myth, or possibly a half-myth if it turns out to be just an online check-in, if Flybe offered that possibility in those days.

[Carana]

Do you have time when it was booked info might be off for few hours  time I read at other forum suggested between 23-02. Since he went to sleep at his sister place Stephanie who took him to airport.

I think I've guessed where you read that. As usual, it's a muddled interpretation, and there's a bit of a muddle in the English translation as well.
 
According to his answer to a previous question, he had things he felt required his personal presence related to his business to sort out and decided to go back over.

His reply to what the PJ presumably asked him (i.e., if he'd changed the date of his booking, to either earlier or later) was that he hadn't, he'd booked the flight for 1 May. From the Flybe sheet, he'd booked it on 30 April.

That got garbled, from what I suspect is your source, into he'd booked it on the day of departure (i.e. at some point past midnight on 1 May).

ETA: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P8/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_1960.jpg

[pegasus]

Every witness in the files who saw translatorman that night said he was with / taliking to / translating for GNR.
So all the investigation now needs to do is ask the GNR officers:

"As well as the lady employee was there a man helping GNR translate that night?"
Answer will be yes (as we already know from statements of DP FP ROB RO SB)
"Was it RM?"
Answer will be no (see GNR officers' existing statements).
"Was it someone else?"
Answer will be yes IMO

It's not rocket science.

[Carana]

Every witness in the files who saw translatorman that night said he was with / taliking to / translating for GNR.
So all the investigation now needs to do is ask the GNR officers:

"As well as the lady employee was there a man helping GNR translate that night?"
Answer will be yes (as we already know from statements of DP FP ROB RO SB)
"Was it RM?"
Answer will be no (see GNR officers' existing statements).
"Was it someone else?"
Answer will be yes IMO

It's not rocket science.

It wouldn't have been rocket science to ask the GNR officers if they knew who this person was or could describe him. All they were asked was if it was RM.

[pegasus]

It wouldn't have been rocket science to ask the GNR officers if they knew who this person was or could describe him. All they were asked was if it was RM.

Agreed, should have been asked back then, therefore the GNR officers present that night should be asked now.
I think they will say yes there was a man translating that night and it was not RM it was someone else.
Should then be easy enough to find who - but it is important to realise this will simply be another innocent resident  trying to help.

[misty]

Agreed, should have been asked back then, therefore the GNR officers present that night should be asked now.
I think they will say yes there was a man translating that night and it was not RM it was someone else.
Should then be easy enough to find who - but it is important to realise this will simply be another innocent resident  trying to help.

Translatorman was not Murat. The real question is - who was Smokingman?
It is clear from the files that everyman & his dog who was there that night was asked if they saw RM - except the OC receptionist.
 No-one, however, was asked if they saw anyone walking around with a child - and there must have been people doing that as we know children were collected from the night crèche.
 No-one was asked if they saw Gerry walking around prior to 10pm.
Why was it sooo important to clear Murat? I can only speculate that it was because Tannerman was heading towards Murat's house.

[Brietta]

Translatorman was not Murat. The real question is - who was Smokingman?
It is clear from the files that everyman & his dog who was there that night was asked if they saw RM - except the OC receptionist.
 No-one, however, was asked if they saw anyone walking around with a child - and there must have been people doing that as we know children were collected from the night crèche.
 No-one was asked if they saw Gerry walking around prior to 10pm.
Why was it sooo important to clear Murat? I can only speculate that it was because Tannerman was heading towards Murat's house.

Surely it would have been a better alibi to have been seen in the vicinity at the relevant time.  Who would have questioned the presence of a neighbour, disturbed by the noise turning to in the search for a missing child?
 
I think Jane Tanner's sighting did indeed throw a spanner into the works and pointed the investigation in a direction it might not have otherwise taken.

[pegasus]

I realised a long time ago that RM is innocent, because it would be absurdly stupid (if he had been there that night and been seen by dozens of searchers and numerous GNR officers) to then claim he wasn't there.
How anyone can still imagine he was there that night defies understanding.