The CCTV camera which Amaral claimed captured the image of the man carrying Madeleine.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes, thank you for making me look at the clip and sorry, Angelo, for not understanding why you sent the clip proving that GA met Mr Luckman !
But the furor seems to be Mr Luckman's interpretation.
Do you think the camera spots the point where Mr Luckman and the SkyNews journalist are at the very beginning ?

It's hard to tell, isn't it, exactly what the camera might have picked up. In fact the film taken above actually chops off the camera itself and we only see the long pole supporting it!

Who knows how it was angled on that night. Perhaps someone at the hotel might have an idea. But if Mr Luckman is to be taken at his word and Dr Amaral was furious with his officers at not seizing the tape, then presumably Amaral knew that the direction of the camera meant it could have held something significant.

[Myster]

It's hard to tell, isn't it, exactly what the camera might have picked up. In fact the film taken above actually chops off the camera itself and we only see the long pole supporting it!

Who knows how it was angled on that night. Perhaps someone at the hotel might have an idea. But if Mr Luckman is to be taken at his word and Dr Amaral was furious with his officers at not seizing the tape, then presumably Amaral knew that the direction of the camera meant it could have held something significant.

Any police officer worth his salt must have examined the range and coverage of that CCTV camera as part of the investigation after the event, even if it was too late, for him to say that he was angry (whether at himself or subordinates).

CCTV Camera screen shot from video (arrowed)

[AnneGuedes]

Thank you very much, Myster, for showing where the camera is. I didn't dare to ask !
Shouldn't it spot the access to the resort instead of Escola Primaria which is perpendicular to the resort's street ?
"Yesterday controversial figure Goncalo Amaral backed Kate and Gerry McCann’s demand for a review and reopening of the investigation." That's how the Express NOV 2010 begins. The reopening of the case has always been GA's wish and the Appeal Court had restored his right to speak of the case  3 weeks before.
This is when likely Mr Luckman met GA.
There's no furor nor blaming of the team in this article.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/210032/Madeleine-McCann-Did-the-camera-hold-vital-clue

[colombosstogey]

Thank you very much, Myster, for showing where the camera is. I didn't dare to ask !
Shouldn't it spot the access to the resort instead of Escola Primaria which is perpendicular to the resort's street ?
"Yesterday controversial figure Goncalo Amaral backed Kate and Gerry McCann’s demand for a review and reopening of the investigation." That's how the Express NOV 2010 begins. The reopening of the case has always been GA's wish and the Appeal Court had restored his right to speak of the case  3 weeks before.
This is when likely Mr Luckman met GA.
There's no furor nor blaming of the team in this article.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/210032/Madeleine-McCann-Did-the-camera-hold-vital-clue

I didnt think he made a huge fuss what i heard was opportunities were lost getting the tape from the camera, non of his bereating employees. Anyway shouldnt he for gods sake if they didnt do their jobs properly....all this fuss over nothing AGAIN.

I despair. Nothing new is being spoken about its like ground hog day....

[AnneGuedes]

I despair. Nothing new is being spoken about its like ground hog day....

Don't despair ! Sooner or later SY will have to take some initiative concerning Smithman, once they'll finish discarding the 3 (?) thousand calls and e-mails CW triggered. Unless one of them appears to be Innocent2. I wonder what kind of protocol between Ireland, the UK and Portugal would allow the Smiths to be interviewed and eventually participate in a reconstruction.

[Myster]

Thank you very much, Myster, for showing where the camera is. I didn't dare to ask !
Shouldn't it spot the access to the resort instead of Escola Primaria which is perpendicular to the resort's street ?
"Yesterday controversial figure Goncalo Amaral backed Kate and Gerry McCann’s demand for a review and reopening of the investigation." That's how the Express NOV 2010 begins. The reopening of the case has always been GA's wish and the Appeal Court had restored his right to speak of the case  3 weeks before.
This is when likely Mr Luckman met GA.
There's no furor nor blaming of the team in this article.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/210032/Madeleine-McCann-Did-the-camera-hold-vital-clue

As I said when it was discussed once before, the camera might have been wide-angled to take in as much of the area as possible including the junction of Primary School Street, rather than just focussed on the gates and pathway leading into the Estrela da Luz complex.

A year or so ago when my property was burgled, I heard a white transit van drive off at about 3am, but I was too late to catch it. The following day I asked the local sub Post Office on the main road about 200 metres away which had a security camera located outside if it was possible to obtain footage for the same time period. Cost me £5 for about 10 minutes of footage on a USB flash drive. Unfortunately there was no van filmed hence no vehicle registration number, although it did record a wider and more distant area than just the outside of the shop. So the culprits must have driven in the opposite direction. Perhaps the CCTV outside that hotel was more sophisticated, to take in a greater distance... we'll never know !

I'm not a policeman but I was determined to find out who did it.. so I thought any CCTV footage in Luz would have been the first resort for those involved in finding a disappeared child like Madeleine.

[colombosstogey]

Don't despair ! Sooner or later SY will have to take some initiative concerning Smithman, once they'll finish discarding the 3 (?) thousand calls and e-mails CW triggered. Unless one of them appears to be Innocent2. I wonder what kind of protocol between Ireland, the UK and Portugal would allow the Smiths to be interviewed and eventually participate in a reconstruction.

I am trying not to despair but really its all the same ground.

As to people also saying smith man must be the abductor as no one has come forward well why is that the case?

We are to believe only just recently JTanners abuductor has just come out of the woodwork showing off PJs from 6 years ago, so why shouldnt the same be with SM?

Maybe they just dont want to be dragged into this miele and be accused of something etc....who would blame them really.

[AnneGuedes]

I am trying not to despair but really its all the same ground.

As to people also saying smith man must be the abductor as no one has come forward well why is that the case?

We are to believe only just recently JTanners abuductor has just come out of the woodwork showing off PJs from 6 years ago, so why shouldnt the same be with SM?

Maybe they just dont want to be dragged into this miele and be accused of something etc....who would blame them really.

Tannerman was fishy because of his strange carrying way. That is not the case with Smithman. Whoever he was, he was caring for the child he had in his arms. None of the Smith suspected he wasn't the father.
If Smithman is Innocentman2, what reason would he have not to say so ? Didn't SY prove with CW that anonymity was well preserved, no details were given and no blame cast ?

[colombosstogey]

Tannerman was fishy because of his strange carrying way. That is not the case with Smithman. Whoever he was, he was caring for the child he had in his arms. None of the Smith suspected he wasn't the father.
If Smithman is Innocentman2, what reason would he have not to say so ? Didn't SY prove with CW that anonymity was well preserved, no details were given and no blame cast ?

I have no clue, that is of course if smithman exists at all....its like twists and turns and smoke and mirrors this story. I still do not understand why an abductor would walk through the streets of PDL with a stolen child why?

I dont know PDL, but just looking at the images, there would be an easier way to go which is out of PDL surely, not through it.....even the beach was rocky with little places to hide. No i dont get this sighting to be honest.

Something so off about it, i knew JT sighting was rubbish, this one just seems similar or for other purposes.

[AnneGuedes]

As I said when it was discussed once before, the camera might have been wide-angled to take in as much of the area as possible including the junction of Primary School Street, rather than just focussed on the gates and pathway leading into the Estrela da Luz complex.

I'm not a policeman but I was determined to find out who did it.. so I thought any CCTV footage in Luz would have been the first resort for those involved in finding a disappeared child like Madeleine.

You could make a good cop, Myster !
Thank you for those pictures, but I observe they are not perspectives from the camera wall.
According to them, the camera seems to spot the entrance of the garage. Wouldn't a very large angle deform number plates ?

[AnneGuedes]

I still do not understand why an abductor would walk through the streets of PDL with a stolen child why?

It doesn't make sense, therefore it probably didn't happen (an abductor).
It's most easy to get out from PDL in a nutshell when you're in Agostinho da Silva. Even walking...

[Myster]

You could make a good cop, Myster !
Thank you for those pictures, but I observe they are not perspectives from the camera wall.
According to them, the camera seems to spot the entrance of the garage. Wouldn't a very large angle deform number plates ?

No sweat, Anne.. but I don't like the idea of being shot at !

It's surprising how much information can be gleaned using sophisticated software for picture enhancement and number plate recognition that the police use. Off topic here, but such software enabled the arrest and prosecution of Stephen Seddon for the murder of his mother and father. Without CCTV footage showing the movements of his car close to his parent's home in Sale, Manchester on the day in question - (over a hundred miles from where Seddon lived) he could well have got away with it.

Look at the distance and width covered by just one outside camera on a supermarket at 3:30 onwards.

[AnneGuedes]

Look at the distance and width covered by just one outside camera on a supermarket at 3:30 onwards.

Thank you, Myster.
I'm amazed by the quality of the images.

[AnneGuedes]

I thought the camera could be the thing on top of this mast, but it isn't, it not on that picture.

[Myster]

That is the camera located on the pole and encased in a hemispherical plastic or glass cover... and GA is pointing in the wrong direction !