Author Topic: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.  (Read 137077 times)

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ferryman

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #150 on: December 11, 2013, 02:48:53 PM »
When you have more time, Ferryman, can you send a link toward the person wrongly alerted as dead by a dog ?

I have a new thread awaiting approval.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #151 on: December 11, 2013, 02:58:46 PM »
I have a new thread awaiting approval.
About that proven erroneous alert ?

ferryman

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #152 on: December 11, 2013, 03:01:00 PM »
About that proven erroneous alert ?

I've already explained that once.

Redblossom

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #153 on: December 11, 2013, 03:17:09 PM »
I've already explained that once.

You said a reference was made on this board to someone turning up alive after a cadaver dog had hit...and NOT shannon matthews....you dont recall who made the reference, what thread it may have been on, or any details about it, man, woman, child, country, handler,name of dog,what the case was.....for something like that which would be such an armament for you and on which you would make notes I find that odd....seems no one else remembers either....

Not even a teeny word remembered sufficient for a board or google  search.....maybe Davel remembers with his astonishing memory lol


Redblossom

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #154 on: December 11, 2013, 07:20:50 PM »
I'd doubt it Red !

P.S. it's only a remarked upon "near photographic memory" !

yes, it was remarked on, but the amazing memory man called his own memory astonishing....i hope its put to good use here since ferrymans fails him on a very very significant issue.....I want to know where this cadaver dog alerted in thecase of a missing person and they turned up alive......


Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #155 on: December 11, 2013, 07:51:56 PM »
I'm still patiently awaiting lesson 1 !

I was hoping you were holding your breath

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #156 on: December 12, 2013, 02:10:37 AM »
Quote
John
Tell me something Icabodcrane.   How does a handler know if a dog has missed a target?

The statistics are bunkum basically.

Lets put this fantasy science into perspective.  Those that promote the dogs and earn a bundle out of them speak of figures exceeding 80% accuracy but the thing is they don't know when a dog has missed a trace because it isn't registered. Consequently the rate could be very much lower than that claimed.

And to think the Portuguese thought they were infallible?   Crayzee stuff  @)(++(*

Icabodcrane
So you base your conclusion on what  is not   known,  rather than  what is 

That is how fantasy is defined,  John
Mr Grime, in a pretrial, testified how and where in September 2007 Eddie had alerted in the US Parker case (a woman was missing for a year when her husband was arrested for murder). No body however had been found.
Mr Grime was mocked, it shouldn't be surprising for some posters, by the defence attorney who suggested Eddie smelt food instead of remains. Mr Grime replied this
I can’t predict the dog’s behavior. I study the dog’s behavior. You are trying to put words in my mouth and I don’t deal in hypotheticals.
The judge finally decided to reject the cadaver dogs alerts (another dog had alerted, months before Eddie). It was a deception for the FBI which considered this case as a "test case" where cadaver dogs would help in the prosecution of a no body murder trial.
Nevertheless the jurors agreed with police and prosecutors and convicted of murder the husband, an ex-police officer, in September 2009. He was sentenced to life.
One year later his wife's body was found.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2013, 02:12:33 AM by AnneGuedes »

ferryman

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #157 on: December 12, 2013, 11:22:51 PM »
davel 10/12/13 8-49 p.m.

 Ferryman was quoting a fee of around 450 dollars for a days work now wheras he was charging thousands in jersey...

Your citations please !

A leaked report by financial auditors into the investigation shows Grime received £750 a day for the first seven days’ work his dog did and £650 a day for 136 days thereafter.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html#ixzz2nJ1ffTZj
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ferryman

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #158 on: December 13, 2013, 12:09:53 AM »
Having singularly failed to get under the skin of Dave, you are now trying it on with me.

Failed again, I'm afraid ...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #159 on: December 13, 2013, 07:35:15 AM »
Really what the hell has this got to do with the thread in hand.

Its so tiresome.

Out of about 15 pages on a topic 3 are on the topic on the rest is off topic.

You were asked to pm OP end of.

Who cares anyway. I dont even read drivels posts anyway.

I just want to discuss the the Portuguese Police and dogs accuracy.....

You have avoided answering my posts because they ruin your argument.  If the dogs are accurate then why does grime say that there alerts have no evidential value...why does he say that eddie "MAY" be alerting to cadaverine...and that the alerts may be as a result of several different scenarios.

As I have said before... I don't "diss" the dogs or grime...its just that posters like you don't understand the dogs alerts

ferryman

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #160 on: December 13, 2013, 08:25:01 AM »
I'm neither trying to or wanting to "get under the skin" of anybody !
You've failed to answer, as has davel, questions posed to you both !
As I said to davel, step up OR slither away !

Here we go

Page 40

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20OperationRectangleReviewUseResources%20201005%20BDO.pdf

Grime was paid £92,257.50 for services rendered in Jersey ....

Offline Carana

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #161 on: December 13, 2013, 09:00:28 AM »
Here we go

Page 40

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20OperationRectangleReviewUseResources%20201005%20BDO.pdf

Grime was paid £92,257.50 for services rendered in Jersey ....

On p. 36 of that doc, that was to include subsistence, phone charges, vehicle mileage, dog vet bills and food, but accommodation was paid for by the Jersey police (£15, 818).

Cariad

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #162 on: December 13, 2013, 10:38:58 AM »
Here we go

Page 40

http://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20OperationRectangleReviewUseResources%20201005%20BDO.pdf

Grime was paid £92,257.50 for services rendered in Jersey ....

Or £750 a day for the first first 5 days and £600 a day there after.

Offline Carana

Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #163 on: December 13, 2013, 11:48:18 AM »
Or £750 a day for the first first 5 days and £600 a day there after.

Well, it sort of morphed from that original draft agreement. Have a look at p. 38.

It later turned into £750 a day for the first first 7 days and £650 per day thereafter (and days charged included the Sunday rest days").

ETA: I don't have a problem with the fee charged, but more with the length of stay, the reasons and the results. I don't find the decision-making clear, nor on what basis those decisions were made.


« Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 12:15:37 PM by Carana »

ferryman

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Re: The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.
« Reply #164 on: December 13, 2013, 01:38:23 PM »
There was a request somewhere upstream of the thread for a cite for what Grime was paid in the Sam Parker case:

We also saw video played in the courtroom to demonstrate how another dog, Eddie, found a sample pair of pants hidden in the Walker County Jail that was perfumed with a cadaver scent. Eddie is an English Springer Spaniel belonging to Martin Grime, a world-renown forensic K-9 expert based in the United Kingdom.

Grime testified he was paid $450 a day, plus travel and living expenses, by the FBI to search some areas in Walker County in connection with Teresa Parker's disappearance.


http://www.scentevidence.com/2009/07/dog-debate-at-center-of-murder-case.html

What was the US dollar/pound exchange rate back then?
« Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 01:42:48 PM by ferryman »