The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[AnneGuedes]

I don't see how anyone can make that claim.   What if a dog was sent -  say for instance -  into a field to search and missed something buried there and didn't alert.   How could his handler possibly know he had missed whatever it was.      Surely he would just assume that with no alert  - nothing was there?  But he would be wrong and whatever it was could possibly remain hidden there forever.

IMO it's not possible to say with 100 per cent certainty that the dogs never made mistakes.

This is why "professional" dogs have to be check very regularly and the team handler/dog as well. At the first false alert, they're recycled in another function.

[colombosstogey]

This is why "professional" dogs have to be check very regularly and the team handler/dog as well. At the first false alert, they're recycled in another function.

EXACTLY.

People have no idea about the training of these dogs, its constantly ongoing it has to be.

For me they are 100 percent accurate regardless of what people want to believe. The two dogs used at the time, highly trained and very expensive to use.

But of course pointless in saying this lol, as we get told they were useless and smelt pork, nappies etc.

SOMETHING happened in that apartment without a doubt the dog was very anxious to get in there, so could scent something from the door onwards.....until he found the source.

[Mr Gray]

EXACTLY.

People have no idea about the training of these dogs, its constantly ongoing it has to be.

For me they are 100 percent accurate regardless of what people want to believe. The two dogs used at the time, highly trained and very expensive to use.

But of course pointless in saying this lol, as we get told they were useless and smelt pork, nappies etc.

SOMETHING happened in that apartment without a doubt the dog was very anxious to get in there, so could scent something from the door onwards.....until he found the source.

You can think what you like...that's just your opinion....
I prefer to believe what Grime says...and he doesn't say they are 100% accurate

[stephen25000]

You can think what you like...that's just your opinion....
I prefer to believe what Grime says...and he doesn't say they are 100% accurate

However, what the dogs indicated could of course be correct.

[valeria]

cadaver scent contamination could have been transferred from another source;;;;;;; many people entered the appartment including criminal investigators.

[Benice]

cadaver scent contamination could have been transferred from another source;;;;;;; many people entered the appartment including criminal investigators.

Same goes for the Renault which was driven by at least one PJ officer before it was tested.

[stephen25000]

Same goes for the Renault which was driven by at least one PJ officer before it was tested.

Now do you have any evidence/proof that any member of the PJ investigating Madeleine's disappearance, and who went to the apartment, had recent contact with a cadaver ?

Or is that purely wishful thinking ?

[valeria]

investigators and forensic scientists  are probably sure that come in contact with cadavers...but i dont know if in this case had taken all the necessary measures for protection ( gloves, protective outfit etc) during the search in the appartment......does anyone know;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

[stephen25000]

investigators and forensic scientists  are probably sure that come in contact with cadavers...but i dont know if in this case had taken all the necessary measures for protection ( gloves, protective outfit etc) during the search in the appartment......does anyone know;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

We also have to consider the 'claim' that kate mccann came into contact with 6 bodies prior to PDL, and subsequently denied.

Now did gerry mccann say to the effect that nobody knows now what is the truth or lies with the information out there in the media.

[Luz]

The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

It is evident that the Portuguese changed tactics following the introduction of the cadaver dogs into the equation.  In the following article Kate explains how they were effectively tricked into allowing their possessions and the car hire to be submitted to forensic examination.


Ricardo Paiva (Portuguese Police liaison officer) played a more prominent role in the interrogation this time, giving me his spiel about the dogs. “These dogs have a 100 per cent success rate,” he said.

“Two hundred cases and they’ve never failed.” I just stared at him, unable to hide my contempt. These dogs had never been used in Portugal before, and he knew little more about them than I did.

Could the police have been so naive?



Anguish ... Kate, with Cuddle Cat, and Gerry in tearful appeal for help days after disappearance.


KATE McCann tells today how she wrecked a bed as she kicked out in rage after the first day of the shambolic police hunt for her abducted daughter Madeleine.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3569557/Kate-McCann-I-smashed-bed-in-rage-at-cops.html

The accuracy of the dogs was sold to the portuguese police by the british, why should they doubt the reports that were presented to them?

The Media had a regal feast bashing the portuguese for not taking the offer of UK dogs for the searches (at the time it was searching dogs that we have plenty and with lots of prizes national and international), later on they diminish the EVRD dogs that were initially announced as top of the world.

Alleging that the recovery of the material was badly conducted is bogus. PT Scientific Police has a very intensive theoretical and practical training in College and on the field - never less than 6 years. In any case if you read the report, if the contamination of the material was true, it points out to have occurred during the lab analysis.

The PT President of the Forensic National Lab was in UK and left quite unimpressed with his colleagues.

Saying the police believed the dogs may be true, because that's what they were told by their british counterparts, but is that a reason to undermine their work?

More telling than the PT PJ using the dogs's indications in their investigation was the complete lack of response from the parents.

How can the father of a missing child respond "Ask the dogs" to a journalist?! How can he be so unconcerned for the possibility that his child could have died? In my opinion, only if he knew what had happened.

[Carew]

Its called "seeking the truth". It is annoying to see untruths posted and accepted on these types of forums...you just have to step in and correct people..its human nature

Acknowledging the existence of positive alerts and refusing to accept that they are of no more significance in the investigation than had they not existed at all is not an "untruth which needs correcting."

What seems transparent from the rigorous "Truth- Seekers and Steppers- in to Correct People" is, imo, the need to deflect any notion of possible Cadaver , Child Neglect and Culpability away from the McCanns...........It is insidious, manipulative and in my view, not really honest in claiming to be an exercise in reasoning.

[Eleanor]

Anyone who has watched the unedited videos of the dog searches knows that the dogs were manipulated by their handler.
This was Martin Grime's first job as a self employed dog handler so it was in his own interests to make a hit.
Using these videos he then went on to land The Jersey Job at a smacking great £93,000 Fee.  And we all know what happened there.

[stephen25000]

Anyone who has watched the unedited videos of the dog searches knows that the dogs were manipulated by their handler.
This was Martin Grime's first job as a self employed dog handler so it was in his own interests to make a hit.
Using these videos he then went on to land The Jersey Job at a smacking great £93,000 Fee.  And we all know what happened there.

Dear oh dear.

More misleading propaganda.

[colombosstogey]

This thread is pointless it just goes on and on.

They are accurate
They are not accurate
They smelt pork
People walked about with the stench of death on their clothes
The handler made the dog bark at the McCanns car

It goes on and on.

What about the clothing? Only Mrs McCanns and the clothing of the child were alerted by the dog.

Did that mean that the child had been close to a dead body then before wearing the Tshirt?

Did that mean that the child had been close to a dead body then when playing with cuddle cat.

IF it was transference from Mrs McCann touching lots of dead patients before her holiday, how come the dog didnt indicate to the twins clothing or Mr McCann as Mrs McCann touched them too didnt she.

The exercise is pointless.

[Mr Gray]

Now do you have any evidence/proof that any member of the PJ investigating Madeleine's disappearance, and who went to the apartment, had recent contact with a cadaver ?

Or is that purely wishful thinking ?

no evidence either way so it is certainly a possibility...in my opinion a very strong possibility...