What do you think happened to Madeleine?

[Redblossom]

The dogs did not track any scent along the route the man was walking that Jane Tanner saw. They tracked it around the apartments, down to the car park, the tapas bar door and back to the car park, which was somewhere Madeleine would have passed as it was part of the shortcut to her creche that Gerry had been told about.

[AnneGuedes]

Two of the Portuguese dogs followed a scent, to block 6 car park, then nothing. Which I believe is in the direction, Jane Tanner saw the man walking. Don't know about Babtista's car park, or if there is a car park there.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PEDRO_ESTEVES.htm

This car park is a public one, the block 6's private one is the one towards which JT carrier was walking.
The Baptista trail never existed, an invention of the media.

[DCI]

Maddie hunt: Send in dogs The Sun
 
By Ian Hepburn and John Askill
Published: 23 May 2007
 
Stubborn Portuguese police chiefs are refusing to let the world's best sniffer dogs join the hunt for Madeleine McCann.
 
Senior British cops last night urged officers leading the inquiry to accept help from UK dog teams before it is too late.
 
Two dogs attached to Britain's National Policing Improvement Agency have developed such powerful tracking skills they can follow a scent for miles, even one up to 28 days old.
 
By sniffing an item of Maddie's clothing, they could trace a trail that might finally unlock the mystery of the four-year-old's disappearance.
 
Police in the Algarve appear no nearer to finding Maddie 20 days after she was snatched from her bed in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz. But the sniffer dogs are still being snubbed.
 
A senior UK police source said: "It is an absolute scandal, time is fast running out for this little girl.
 
"These dogs have immense capability. Their tracking skills are among the finest in the world.
 
"The dogs were put on standby to go to the Algarve within days of Madeleine’s disappearance.
 
"You would expect the Portuguese to make use of the best resources available to them, but they repeatedly ignore the offers of assistance."
 
The dogs include a spaniel whose sense of smell is so keen she can sniff traces of blood on a weapon even after it has been scrubbed clean.
 
But the source warned: "They work most effectively within a 28-day time frame. After that the scent becomes much weaker."
 
Other British dog-handling teams did join the initial search for Maddie, and local cops later reported that dogs found a scent, but the trail was lost after 250 yards.

Thanks, DCI, but hum hum, the Sun..
And the offered dogs were sniffers and they weren't useful since the GNR had good ones.
3 dogs followed the same trail. The fact they stopped after crossing FGM str. doesn't reveal insufficiency (those dogs participate regularly in international competitions), but reflects the dispersion of scents (wind, cars). Remarkably the same dogs, on the 8th (I think), followed the same route again : as explained by the handler, a very protected one (walls and not frequented).

LOL, Anne, so why have them 3 months later?

Two dogs attached to Britain's National Policing Improvement Agency. Do you know who Harrison worked for?

National Policing Improvement Agency
Wyboston Lakes, Great North Road,
Wybmion, Bedfordshire,
MK44 3BY,
United Kingdom.
Tel: +44 (0)87XX XXXXXX
Web: http://www.npia.police.uk

[DCI]

Two of the Portuguese dogs followed a scent, to block 6 car park, then nothing. Which I believe is in the direction, Jane Tanner saw the man walking. Don't know about Babtista's car park, or if there is a car park there.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PEDRO_ESTEVES.htm

This car park is a public one, the block 6's private one is the one towards which JT carrier was walking.
The Baptista trail never existed, an invention of the media.

I didn't say the Baptista trail existed. I said I didn't think they had a car park!

[DCI]

The dogs did not track any scent along the route the man was walking that Jane Tanner saw. They tracked it around the apartments, down to the car park, the tapas bar door and back to the car park, which was somewhere Madeleine would have passed as it was part of the shortcut to her creche that Gerry had been told about.

After completing the search in the interior of block 5, verandas and apartment access, and whilst in the exterior, the sniffer dog took the same route he had taken on 04/05/07, being the road between that apartment and the leisure area-pool sand restaurant, and headed toward the same parking area. There he lost the scent of the search. This situation may be explained by the fact that the biggest concentration of odours in that location have been preserved and protected from the winds due to the adjoining walls. When this dog got to the main road, he turned right where a large dispersion of odours existed. Here the dog lost the scent.
- The second dog was submitted to the same operation. He too showed interest in the door of apartment 5J. Here he got up on his hind paws to the parapet of the veranda and raised his head in such a way as to catch the odour. As mentioned previously, this interest may be due to various factors but it is certain that at this location the dog scented an intense odour. In the exterior, the sniffer-dog immediately took the first road, heading toward the parking area next to block 6, and there lost the scent.

[AnneGuedes]

LOL, Anne, so why have them 3 months later?

Two dogs attached to Britain's National Policing Improvement Agency. Do you know who Harrison worked for?

National Policing Improvement Agency
Wyboston Lakes, Great North Road,
Wybmion, Bedfordshire,
MK44 3BY,
United Kingdom.
Tel: +44 (0)87XX XXXXXX
Web: http://www.npia.police.uk

Lol, I don't know, DCI ! I noticed where those proposed dogs came from and I'm sure they were excellent. But they were sniffers, and the GNR had good sniffers.
I'm not doubting the PJ was offered sniffers by the NPIA, I lament the interpretation of the tabloid : the PJ didn't accept = they're dumb.

[Redblossom]

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DCI this is the route that the scent trailing dogs that were given Madeleine's blanket and towel followed on 4 th May and 8th May, as you can see they did not go across the top of the road where the man was seen


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id94.html

The Mccanns apartment at the top centre of the picture is where they started, they then went to the left, around the block, down the path at the back of the apartments and down to the car park

Original page and link to statements

[registrar]

'These vital clues were never followed up by the ­Portuguese police, according to Isabel Duarte, the ­Lisbon lawyer acting for Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
 
Shortly after Madeleine was taken from Apartment 5A at the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz, five years ago this Thursday, a sniffer dog picked up her scent at a nearby car park.
 
Mrs Duarte said: “This was a significant moment at a critical time, yet there is very ­little about it in the police files. There doesn’t appear to have been any forensic work at the spot in the car park identified by the dog. More work should have been done.”


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/317111/Madeleine-McCann-The-lost-clues

[AnneGuedes]

The dogs did not track any scent along the route the man was walking that Jane Tanner saw. They tracked it around the apartments, down to the car park, the tapas bar door and back to the car park, which was somewhere Madeleine would have passed as it was part of the shortcut to her creche that Gerry had been told about.

After completing the search in the interior of block 5, verandas and apartment access, and whilst in the exterior, the sniffer dog took the same route he had taken on 04/05/07, being the road between that apartment and the leisure area-pool sand restaurant, and headed toward the same parking area. There he lost the scent of the search. This situation may be explained by the fact that the biggest concentration of odours in that location have been preserved and protected from the winds due to the adjoining walls. When this dog got to the main road, he turned right where a large dispersion of odours existed. Here the dog lost the scent.
- The second dog was submitted to the same operation. He too showed interest in the door of apartment 5J. Here he got up on his hind paws to the parapet of the veranda and raised his head in such a way as to catch the odour. As mentioned previously, this interest may be due to various factors but it is certain that at this location the dog scented an intense odour. In the exterior, the sniffer-dog immediately took the first road, heading toward the parking area next to block 6, and there lost the scent.

DCI, this carpark is a public one, the block 6 private car park is on the other side (north) of the block. It has an entrance, as the block 5 car park, you see immediately it is private though there's no gate.

[Chinagirl]

For Tim Invictus:

Would you PLEASE explain what you mean by "the tapas bar saga."  I asked you to do this right after the post where you first mentioned it, and several other posters have also asked.

[AnneGuedes]

'These vital clues were never followed up by the ­Portuguese police, according to Isabel Duarte, the ­Lisbon lawyer acting for Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
 
Shortly after Madeleine was taken from Apartment 5A at the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz, five years ago this Thursday, a sniffer dog picked up her scent at a nearby car park.
 
Mrs Duarte said: “This was a significant moment at a critical time, yet there is very ­little about it in the police files. There doesn’t appear to have been any forensic work at the spot in the car park identified by the dog. More work should have been done.”


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/317111/Madeleine-McCann-The-lost-clues

Mrs Duarte is right, not much value was given to the tracker dogs. But there's a reason why and she omits it : the bizarre route followed by the dogs. Why would an abductor turn around a block ? Besides he didn't follow the route of JT carrier.
Could this mean that Madeleine went out, turned around the block, tried to enter the Tapas resort but found the door closed (as the dogs did), crossed the street and was taken near the lamp post by someone who happened to be there, had a car, etc. ?
So it's not the spot that should have been examined, it is the whole situation. And with a bit of hypothetico-deductive method.

[Tim Invictus]

For Tim Invictus:

Would you PLEASE explain what you mean by "the tapas bar saga."  I asked you to do this right after the post where you first mentioned it, and several other posters have also asked.

Oops sorry I missed your question. Perhaps saga is the wrong description; I don't believe all the others there were involved with the McCann's who were using the night out at the tapas bar so they could then have a reason (not excuse) for leaving the kiddies alone.  A cover story.

I would like to stress (before my ankles get snapped at again) this is just my opinion of what happened and I freely admit there is no evidence to support my opinion just as there is no evidence Maddy was abducted.

[Chinagirl]

For Tim Invictus:

Would you PLEASE explain what you mean by "the tapas bar saga."  I asked you to do this right after the post where you first mentioned it, and several other posters have also asked.

Oops sorry I missed your question. Perhaps saga is the wrong description; I don't believe all the others there were involved with the McCann's who were using the night out at the tapas bar so they could then have a reason (not excuse) for leaving the kiddies alone.  A cover story.

I would like to stress (before my ankles get snapped at again) this is just my opinion of what happened and I freely admit there is no evidence to support my opinion just as there is no evidence Maddy was abducted.

Thank you for finally answering.

There is loads of evidence that Madeleine was abducted, but closed-minded people like you choose to ignore it.  There is none whatsoever for the lurid theory you have proposed.

[John]

Let's all keep calm guys, opinion can be expressed without the need for bad language.

[Tim Invictus]

For Tim Invictus:

Would you PLEASE explain what you mean by "the tapas bar saga."  I asked you to do this right after the post where you first mentioned it, and several other posters have also asked.

Oops sorry I missed your question. Perhaps saga is the wrong description; I don't believe all the others there were involved with the McCann's who were using the night out at the tapas bar so they could then have a reason (not excuse) for leaving the kiddies alone.  A cover story.

I would like to stress (before my ankles get snapped at again) this is just my opinion of what happened and I freely admit there is no evidence to support my opinion just as there is no evidence Maddy was abducted.

Thank you for finally answering.

There is loads of evidence that Madeleine was abducted, but closed-minded people like you choose to ignore it.  There is none whatsoever for the lurid theory you have proposed.

Lurid? Strange word to use!

I freely admit I am no expert on the McCann case; why don't you state the 'loads of evidence' and enlighten me? I was of the opinion that Maddy's disappearance was a mystery!