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Offline Nicholas

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1425 on: April 28, 2020, 04:50:39 PM »
Yes, I know.  But a repeat didn't go amiss.

Good to hear  8((()*/
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1426 on: April 29, 2020, 08:09:07 AM »
Yes, I know.  But a repeat didn't go amiss.

What happened in Jersey is a perfect example of what goes wrong when senior police officers go unchecked.

As for Mark Williams-Thomas' theory that Maddie woke, wandered outside and was abducted, I think this is the only realistic theory of all those suggested over the last 13 years.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1427 on: April 29, 2020, 08:40:56 AM »
What happened in Jersey is a perfect example of what goes wrong when senior police officers go unchecked.

As for Mark Williams-Thomas' theory that Maddie woke, wandered outside and was abducted, I think this is the only realistic theory of all those suggested over the last 13 years.

I believe that Madeleine was abducted, but I do understand for why you think as you do.

Amaral should never have been in charge of that case, let alone unchecked.

Offline Brietta

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1428 on: April 29, 2020, 09:21:19 PM »
What happened in Jersey is a perfect example of what goes wrong when senior police officers go unchecked.

As for Mark Williams-Thomas' theory that Maddie woke, wandered outside and was abducted, I think this is the only realistic theory of all those suggested over the last 13 years.

If you believe Kate and the open window ... and I do ... it blows the 'woke and wandered' scenario out of the water.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1429 on: April 30, 2020, 10:37:58 AM »
If you believe Kate and the open window ... and I do ... it blows the 'woke and wandered' scenario out of the water.

Given your faith in the McCanns I'm not surprised you believe in the open window. Your belief can only rest on faith, of course, because there's no objective evidence.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1430 on: April 30, 2020, 11:32:16 AM »
Given your faith in the McCanns I'm not surprised you believe in the open window. Your belief can only rest on faith, of course, because there's no objective evidence.

It isnt faith...its based on evidence. It can only be faith when there is no evidence. Its this sort of post which shows your bias
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Offline misty

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1431 on: April 30, 2020, 01:28:23 PM »
Given your faith in the McCanns I'm not surprised you believe in the open window. Your belief can only rest on faith, of course, because there's no objective evidence.

Amaral believed that the presence of Kate's fingerprints on the window glass was evidence she had staged a crime scene featuring an open window. Was his premise for such a belief based purely on faith?
IYO what did those fingerprints signify, other than Kate moving the curtains aside & touching the glass?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1432 on: April 30, 2020, 01:38:39 PM »
And no glove marks were found on that window. Burglars without gloves? The facts don't change, the only prints found were by KM and she claims to have never touched the window. The curtains were always closed she said in her book.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline John

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1433 on: April 30, 2020, 04:25:11 PM »
If you believe Kate and the open window ... and I do ... it blows the 'woke and wandered' scenario out of the water.

Why should it?  Only Kate McCann's fingerprints were found on the children's bedroom window which tends to support the proposition that it was she who opened it to look for a missing Madeleine. She claims she found it open but that could be down to traumatic memory loss, the same affliction suffered by Gerry that night.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1434 on: April 30, 2020, 05:34:15 PM »
Why should it?  Only Kate McCann's fingerprints were found on the children's bedroom window which tends to support the proposition that it was she who opened it to look for a missing Madeleine. She claims she found it open but that could be down to traumatic memory loss, the same affliction suffered by Gerry that night.

it all depends how thorough the forensic examination of the apartment was..how much you trust the  PJ. Are we yo assume no one else ever touched the window....children...cleaners..other occupants...or was the forensic exam just not fit for purpose

Offline Brietta

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1435 on: April 30, 2020, 05:53:32 PM »
Why should it?  Only Kate McCann's fingerprints were found on the children's bedroom window which tends to support the proposition that it was she who opened it to look for a missing Madeleine. She claims she found it open but that could be down to traumatic memory loss, the same affliction suffered by Gerry that night.

No … it happened exactly as Kate McCann described and it is borne out by the evidence that the window was already open when she entered the room.  There were no fingerprints lifted from the handle.

 VESTIGES COLLECTED
5….. Fingerprints….Inside interior window of the children’s bedroom…..DBT…..Suf
Observations: The fingerprint traces collected are identified as being the middle finger of the left hand (3x) and forefinger of the left hand (2x), of the missing girl’s mother,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm


The right hand sliding glass was open. 
A person leaning forward to look through would support themselves using their right hand either on the wall or the windowsill.  While placing the palm of their left hand on the frame of the already opened sliding section with fingers extending onto the glass to leave fingerprints.
 
That matches the description of events given by Kate McCann from which she has never wavered.  It matches the forensic evidence as recorded in the PJ Files above.  There is no forensic evidence that she opened the window, but the forensic evidence supports her statement that she found the window open and she leaned out.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1436 on: April 30, 2020, 05:54:42 PM »
Given your faith in the McCanns I'm not surprised you believe in the open window. Your belief can only rest on faith, of course, because there's no objective evidence.

You are wrong on that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1437 on: April 30, 2020, 06:03:39 PM »
And no glove marks were found on that window. Burglars without gloves? The facts don't change, the only prints found were by KM and she claims to have never touched the window. The curtains were always closed she said in her book.

In her book she also described her horror when the curtains blew open because the window was open and rushing over to lean out the window to look for Madeleine who was missing from her bed.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1438 on: April 30, 2020, 07:53:15 PM »
Explanations offered by the person who claimed the window was open aren't evidence that it was really open. It's from the same source!
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.
« Reply #1439 on: April 30, 2020, 07:58:57 PM »
In her book she also described her horror when the curtains blew open because the window was open and rushing over to lean out the window to look for Madeleine who was missing from her bed.

Leaning out of the window is not in her statement on 4 May 2007. Go take a look.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.