Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?

[Mo Stache]

Were the questions designed to help find Madeleine?

or we they designed to try and entrap Kate?

The lawyers knew what they were doing when they advised her not to answer, but seems some cant see the wood for the trees

I am thankful that she did not answer any of those questions, because the answers would have been twisted into something else

Almost certainly

Innocent people cooperate with police investigators and especially so when their child has allegedly been abducted.  Different rules for the McCanns though apparently??   

Cites??  You are beginning to morph into another Debunker Sadie.   

Your use of the words 'cooperate with the police' are being used selectively. You make it seem that the McCann's never cooperated at all.

[Angelo222]

No, with respect, you are wrong Angelo


The PT lawyers knew what was going to happen with those entrapment questions, and protected Kate against that.

Utter claptrap and hogwash Sadie.  You can answer a question truthfully without dropping yourself in it.   Aren't the McCanns supposed to be intelligent people after all???

I am glad you agree that they received bad advice Mo.  It is a phenomenon which appears to follow them however...bad resort, bad lawyers, bad detectives...

Oh they cooperated until they stopped.

[Angelo222]

You are very bitter Angelo


With no knowledge, just myths

You would like to think so but it is you who are deluded.  If it was your 3-year-old kid which was abducted would you sit on your backside planning your next media moment?? 

Rene, Amy and Bens parents have at least tried to do the right thing...they have gone back to search at great personal expense.   They are to be admired for their perserverence.

Anyways, off to work early today so if anyone accuses me of not answering their posts today you know what to tell them.

[Benice]

Apparently it was on legal advisement that they refused to answer the detectives questions.  Great advice which landed them in it up to their necks!!   

Yes, there have been people who have ill advised the McCann's but how is that the McCann's fault?

A no-brainer.  They employed them didn't they consequently their fault.

If the McCann's were such experts in all fields they would be able to spot those who are no good at their job and or, have no need of their services in the first place, but seeing none of us are experts in all fields, we rely on the expertise and good will of others who are also human and make mistakes. It's like saying if you voted for the labour government you are just as much at fault for the dire economic situation the UK finds itself in. Have you never received ill advice?

Exactly.  The McCanns were as green as grass when it came to making decisions on stuff they had never had any previous experience of and so knew nothing about.      They had no option but to take advice from others  - which inevitably involved a certain amount of trust on their part.   

Once again the sceptics choose to blame the McCans (the victims)  - and not those who abused their trust. 

So predictable.


 

[Benice]

No, with respect, you are wrong Angelo


The PT lawyers knew what was going to happen with those entrapment questions, and protected Kate against that.

I agree Sadie.     Kate's Portuguese lawyer, (who unlike Kate was the legal EXPERT) was not there to help the PJ frame his client, nor to advise her to do the same.    Therefore his advice was correct IMO.

[sadie]

You are very bitter Angelo


With no knowledge, just myths

You would like to think so but it is you who are deluded.  If it was your 3-year-old kid which was abducted would you sit on your backside planning your next media moment?? 

Rene, Amy and Bens parents have at least tried to do the right thing...they have gone back to search at great personal expense.   They are to be admired for their perserverence.

Anyways, off to work early today so if anyone accuses me of not answering their posts today you know what to tell them.

I would hope that I would have the good sense to leave it to SY.

All this talk about media moments is utter claptrap.  As though they are film stars self promoting; what rubbish, Angelo. 


For starters Kate, was terrified of the media.

But she wants to find Madeleine and has pushed herself to get over the fear.



Why are you so bitter? >@@(*&)




Brave woman .  Kate Mccann.

[Mo Stache]

You are very bitter Angelo


With no knowledge, just myths

You would like to think so but it is you who are deluded.  If it was your 3-year-old kid which was abducted would you sit on your backside planning your next media moment?? 

Rene, Amy and Bens parents have at least tried to do the right thing...they have gone back to search at great personal expense.   They are to be admired for their perserverence.

Anyways, off to work early today so if anyone accuses me of not answering their posts today you know what to tell them.

Was it not the duty of the Portuguese police to find Madeleine? Leaving the parents free to use the media to help in that task? How many missing people campaigns have made use of the media yet it's only the McCann's who are criticised for doing so. I don't see you criticising: Tia Sharps, April Jones, Claudia Lawrence, Shannon Matthews' (there are more that can be listed) media campaigns.   

[TTSOFAFM]

You would like to think so but it is you who are deluded.  If it was your 3-year-old kid which was abducted would you sit on your backside planning your next media moment?? 

And exactly how do the McCanns conduct a house to house search?  Do they have authority to enter any premises or outbuildings and search?  What would happen if the person said, 'NO'?  Would they still have a legal right to enter that premises?

Are the McCanns, their friends and family expected to pick up spades and start digging up the countryside of Portugal?  Are you saying this is what they should be doing, even if it means breaking the law?  Do you not agree, that if the McCanns entered any property without permission they could be arrested for trespass?

Please tell me how they can conduct a search with so many legal restraints against them!!!!!

[xtina]

Xtina. 

What a rubbish remark.  "K&G ...have always put the twins first from the off "



Cites please

no more rubbish ...than other remarks i have seen on here...

what is meant by Cites please

Cites = proof not myths and waffle

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/DAYS_01.htm

just in case link does not work...from g mccs blog....

ay 17 - 20/05/2007 Sunday
 
A Day to day life for the McCann's
Our day starts around 6.30am with us all waking up around the same time. We have breakfast with Sean and Amelie and our close family/friends who are here with us. Then its clean nappies and clothes for Sean and Amelie followed by showers etc for the rest of us. 

Usually there’s some free time then for a few stories or games with the twins before heading out.

 

9.00-9.15 We take Sean and Amelie to Kids’ Club. They really enjoy it and run in.

 They know the staff well and the staff are all excellent. Both love the domestic corner and Amelie particularly likes to look after ‘babies’. We use the kids club a bit like nursery at home but we think Sean and Amelie still think they are on holiday!
 

9.30~12.15. We return to the apartments, usually for a series of meetings with our press officer, Mark Warner Reps, occasionally Consulate staff, lawyers and British Liaison officers. During this time we catch up with family and close friends, usually by telephone and discuss ideas how to keep Madeleine’s profile high especially throughout continental Europe.

 

12.30 Time to pick up Sean and Amelie from Kids’ club then head back to apartment for lunch, which has usually been prepared by one of our family/friends group who have been tremendously supportive.

 

13.30 –14.30 This is time to spend time playing with the twins either in the apartment or in the play area next to kids club.

 

14.30-15.00 Usually we take the twins back to Kids’ Club although Sean has had the odd afternoon in the apartment as it’s a bit cooler and he’s not much of a sun worshipper! They have been taking part in many different activities including painting, singing, stories, swimming, trips to the beach and they have lots of toys to play with.

 

15.00~17.00 We try to get some time together alone, going for a walk to talk things over or getting some exercise. This is often the time for quiet trips to the church for prayers. 

 

17.00-17.30 Meet kids for high tea with other mums and dads. They love pasta and have been doing really well with their vegetables although a few chips have been squeezed in.
 

17.30-18.30. Games with kids at play area. Amelie loves trying to get in the baby pool!

 

18.30-19.30 Bath and story time with the twins.

20.00 We put the kids to bed.

 

20.30-23.00 We try to sit down for a family meal, again usually cooked by one of the small family group out here with us. Chat about the day’s events and plan the next day

 

23.30 bed and prayer for Madeleine that she will be returned to us safely

 ASAP. 
 

[sadie]

I dont know what your piont is xtina?

I cant understand what you are getting at

Sorry

[xtina]

I dont know what your piont is xtina?

I cant understand what you are getting at

Sorry

this is what happens ...when you ridicule a post unnecessary posts follow...you would have been better off not asking for cites don't you think....it was my opinion ...did i ask you for a link to cuddle cat stinking

a bit alarming though don't you think ...the twins being left in the creche day after day ..with all those seedy characters vans workers .all hanging round the complex....

what is piont...sorry

[sadie]

Sorry, I cant see anything wrong at all.  It's all in your mind because it aint the way you might do it

... or that's what it seems to me.



If things are just your opinion best to mke it clear at the time.  Dont you think?

[Benice]

I dont know what your piont is xtina?

I cant understand what you are getting at

Sorry

this is what happens ...when you ridicule a post unnecessary posts follow...you would have been better off not asking for cites don't you think....it was my opinion ...did i ask you for a link to cuddle cat stinking

a bit alarming though don't you think ...the twins being left in the creche day after day ..with all those seedy characters vans workers .all hanging round the complex....

what is piont...sorry

What a strange idea.  The twins could not have been in a safer place - especially with scores of reporters camped nearby and a creche staff absolutely aware of the need for vigilance after what had happened.  Children need routine, and their parents did their best to provide that.   Do you think they would have been better off cooped up in the apartment all day with people who were hardly in the holiday spirit, and were likely to break down in tears at regular intervals?   That would have left them confused and upset IMO.     

The McCanns took advice from experienced counsellors on how to deal with the twins - and acted on that advice.
What is there to criticise in that?



   

 

   

[Angelo222]

And exactly how do the McCanns conduct a house to house search?  Do they have authority to enter any premises or outbuildings and search?  What would happen if the person said, 'NO'?  Would they still have a legal right to enter that premises?

Are the McCanns, their friends and family expected to pick up spades and start digging up the countryside of Portugal?  Are you saying this is what they should be doing, even if it means breaking the law?  Do you not agree, that if the McCanns entered any property without permission they could be arrested for trespass?

Please tell me how they can conduct a search with so many legal restraints against them!!!!!

Who mentioned house to house anything??   You haven't read my posts have you?

I made the point and I will make it again for you as a newbie that the McCanns should be spending a considerable lot more time out in Portugal than they currently do.  If they are as committed to the search for Madeleine as they profess to be why are they not doing something about it where it counts?

I have suggested that they tour the country and neighbouring Spain making contact with any sizeable communities as they go attracting local media interest and getting the photo of Madeleine and the information including an award out there.  Is this so difficult to comprehend??

The comments by pros claiming that the Portuguese would be less than helpful or even threatening towards then is garbage.  They are no longer official suspects, they are free to do whatever they want.  Inevitably they would attract a media circus wherever they went but all the better...milk it...get the message out there!!!

They will not find Madeleine in Rothley or even England, the Met will not find Madeleine either because they are effectively impotent as far as any investigative work in portugal is concerned and the Portuguese Police aren't even looking or bothered.   After 6 years of zero progress in the case you would think that someone with their intelligence would have worked that out by now.

[TTSOFAFM]

I made the point and I will make it again for you as a newbie that the McCanns should be spending a considerable lot more time out in Portugal than they currently do.  If they are as committed to the search for Madeleine as they profess to be why are they not doing something about it where it counts?

I have suggested that they tour the country and neighbouring Spain making contact with any sizeable communities as they go attracting local media interest and getting the photo of Madeleine and the information including an award out there.  Is this so difficult to comprehend??

And how do they fund this venture you want them to go.  If they are out touring Spain and spending a lot of time in Portugal engaging communities when do they work to earn money to live on?  How do they maintain a near as normal life for their remaining children?  Children need a routine, they just can't be dragged around countries and home tutored.  Or do you expect them to forsake their other children?

And if the McCanns did take this option, say for instance during school holidays, what do you think the anti McCann people would be saying if they asked for funds to carry out what you want them to do?  Like what they have said all along.  Nasty snide comments about how they are jet-setters and I have even heard comments about their previous trips abroad being classed as holidays.