Why not report the abduction at the Tapas Bar rather than Main Reception?

[Mrs. B]

If the receptionist had a firm idea of when the incident occurred, do you think he'd have stated between "9.30 - 22.00"?

[AnneGuedes]

It's been discussed on another thread : This receptionist says he called immediately the GNR, but the first call was at 10h41, a fact that discredits this witness.

[icabodcrane]

If the receptionist had a firm idea of when the incident occurred, do you think he'd have stated between "9.30 - 22.00"?

I see ...  he was  'firm'  about some things ...  but less  'firm'  about others ?

That's called cherry -picking,  and it is a weak argument as a consequence 

[gilet]

We know that the receptionist was contacted by someone from the Tapas Restaurant

"That on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared."

Whether it was someone from the Tapas group who asked them or not isn't mentioned.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

How can that be though  ?

How can the receptionist have been alerted from the tapas bar sometime between 9.30 and 10.00pm ...  when Kate herself was still sat at the table during that time  ?

Clearly we can see such a discrepancy should be cleared up.

So surely the PJ would have seen the same discrepancy and realised it should be cleared up immediately.

It would have been cleared up one way or the other in a second interview with the man and should have been done very quickly as he was in PDL.

Could someone post a link to the second interview they did with him please?

Or, heaven forfend that this should be something else they failed to do?  Surely not?

[Benice]

We know that the receptionist was contacted by someone from the Tapas Restaurant

"That on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared."

Whether it was someone from the Tapas group who asked them or not isn't mentioned.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

How can that be though  ?

How can the receptionist have been alerted from the tapas bar sometime between 9.30 and 10.00pm ...  when Kate herself was still sat at the table during that time  ?

Just another example of the vastly differing powers of recall which different people possess IMO.   The witness statements are filled with time discrepancies - not lies - just best recollections but which may be inaccurate.  This applies to everyone including the McCanns and their friends.

 

[icabodcrane]

We know that the receptionist was contacted by someone from the Tapas Restaurant

"That on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared."

Whether it was someone from the Tapas group who asked them or not isn't mentioned.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

How can that be though  ?

How can the receptionist have been alerted from the tapas bar sometime between 9.30 and 10.00pm ...  when Kate herself was still sat at the table during that time  ?

Clearly we can see such a discrepancy should be cleared up.

So surely the PJ would have seen the same discrepancy and realised it should be cleared up immediately.

It would have been cleared up one way or the other in a second interview with the man and should have been done very quickly as he was in PDL.

Could someone post a link to the second interview they did with him please?

Or, heaven forfend that this should be something else they failed to do?  Surely not?

You'll get no argument from me that the Portuguese investigation was shoddy and inadequate

I'll put this  forward though  ...  if the McCanns  were  involved in the disappearance of their child in some way,  then the shoddiness and inadequacy of the Portugueses investigation might,  possibly,  have worked in their favour

[sadie]

It's been a long time since I read the rogs, but something keeps bugging me, and I have to ask the question

Are we sure that there was a receptionist on at the seconadary Tapas reception that night?


Cos he/she would have seen everybody coming and going to the tapas area.  Everyone had to pass straight by him.

Do the rogs include his statement?  I cant remember seeing his statement


My apologies if I have this wrong.


There was no receptionist on at the Tapas reception when we were there in June/july 2010

[Mrs. B]

We know that the receptionist was contacted by someone from the Tapas Restaurant

"That on the day in question (03/05/2007) he was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared."

Whether it was someone from the Tapas group who asked them or not isn't mentioned.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm

How can that be though  ?

How can the receptionist have been alerted from the tapas bar sometime between 9.30 and 10.00pm ...  when Kate herself was still sat at the table during that time  ?

Clearly we can see such a discrepancy should be cleared up.

So surely the PJ would have seen the same discrepancy and realised it should be cleared up immediately.

It would have been cleared up one way or the other in a second interview with the man and should have been done very quickly as he was in PDL.

Could someone post a link to the second interview they did with him please?

Or, heaven forfend that this should be something else they failed to do?  Surely not?

The PJ were fully aware that SOMEONE from the tapas bar called reception, they even asked this witness about it.

Questioned if he was the person who called the reception to tell them that a child had gone missing, he states that he cannot definitively remember if he did or not. He admits that he could have been the one to call.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

And the witness states that he is not to sure but he could have done. So no, the receptionist were not lying & is not discredited. The person who accuses him of it though, is discredited IMO.

[icabodcrane]

It's been a long time since I read the rogs, but something keeps bugging me, and I have to ask the question

Are we sure that there was a receptionist on at the seconadary Tapas reception that night?


Cos he/she would have seen everybody coming and going to the tapas area.  Everyone had to pass straight by him.

Do the rogs include his statement?  I cant remember seeing his statement


My apologies if I have this wrong.


There was no receptionist on at the Tapas reception when we were there in June/july 2010

I can't answer with any certainty sadie,  but I don't recall any mention having ever been made of a receptionist at the  'secondary'   reception  (  the one located  at the entrance to the tapas bar area  )

[Angelo222]

The more pertinent issue for me is the claimed 8 minutes to travel this 400 metre route.  As it was an emergency Matthew probably ran most of it and got there in a couple of minutes.  Double that and add the time he was in reception and you get an all round time of about 10 minutes.  If he did the trip twice as appears then you get 20 mins.   If you then take the starting point of the discovery that Madeleine had gone at around 10.05 then Matthew must have set out shortly afterwards say at 10.10pm.  Add the time taken for the two trips and you get to 10.30 which was when Gerry claims to have gone to reception.

From this it can be seen that Matthew must have spent most of the first half hour traipsing between the apartment and the main reception. I must say that in the circumstances I find it peculiar that Matthew had to go to main reception at all.  Surely there was someone in authority who had the lingo to speak to police from the tapas ??

[Angelo222]

Agreed there are three possible short cuts two of which go around or across a circular green, only Matthew and Gerry know which one they took.  So let's get this straight.  There is only one entrance to the pool area, gardens and tapas from the street and it is through the small reception building located just down from the McCanns apartment.  It was open as clients were walking through it in order to do their checks.  So are you saying that there was no staff in this reception?  Could anyone wander through it unchallenged?

[sadie]

There was no-one there when we went for a meal.  I was a little worried about going through there, but it was plain sailing; no challenges ...  nobody to challenge us.

Nobody as we went in and nobody as we left.  We mooched around a bit, then ordered and ate a meal, so I guess our two trips thru the tapas reception were a little over an hour apart



Heri didn't stay at OC but he might know if anyone was there when he visited, or Catkins (Myths). 

Did you go in that area Registrar? ... evening time particularly

[Angelo222]

I cannot fathom why Matthew and Gerry spent so much time literally running up and down to main reception which was a quarter of a mile away when someone in authority at the tapas bar/restaurant could have easily relayed matters to main reception by phone??

[gilet]

I cannot fathom why Matthew and Gerry spent so much time literally running up and down to main reception which was a quarter of a mile away when someone in authority at the tapas bar/restaurant could have easily relayed matters to main reception by phone??

Who do you think was in authority?

The chef, the barman or the waiter?

Remember the McCanns were the last customers at the Tapas.

There might have been a pot boy there doing the washing up of course.

[sadie]

I cannot fathom why Matthew and Gerry spent so much time literally running up and down to main reception which was a quarter of a mile away when someone in authority at the tapas bar/restaurant could have easily relayed matters to main reception by phone??

Who do you think was in authority?

The chef, the barman or the waiter?

Remember the McCanns were the last customers at the Tapas.

There might have been a pot boy there doing the washing up of course.

In the early stages, at least, there was someone there because someone (cant remember his name) witnessed Gerry coming back and searching everywhere in the Tapas garden area (and the Tapas restaurant and bar, I guess)