Was there a connection between the phone ping and the report of a child crying on Tue 1st May?

[Carana]

Sound source can be deceptive , however, when it originates from walls and floors directly next to you, the possibility of being wrong diminishes vastly. If I hear a bang from next door I know its from there, I donthave to go outside  my house to look listen and wonder, same with floors and cielings. I also think Mrs Fenn listening to the sound for so long adds credence to her testimony,she will have noticed if it was *several* or different children! It wasnt the Paynes as they had a monitor in the restaraunt, it wasnt Obriens kids as he was indoors that night, so which child do you think it was? And where? rachels flat? if so why didnt she check it for over an hour? Where does that put her statements? So, whose child do YOU think it was? And where?

O'Brien was indoors that night?

No idea about whether the Oldfield's offspring ever woke up.

Kate said that Amelie cried late that evening and that Madeleine had come over to them. That could explain the later crying.

Who else may have been staying in the building with young children within hearing distance?

[AnneGuedes]

Calpol evidently doesn't sedate. Benzodiazepins do as well as they are hypnotic, anxiolytic,  muscle relaxant, and amnesic. And these psychoactive drugs  leave no trail. Less than 24 hours after, no way to detect them !

[ferryman]

Calpol evidently doesn't sedate. Benzodiazepins do as well as they are hypnotic, anxiolytic,  muscle relaxant, and amnesic. And these psychoactive drugs  leave no trail. Less than 24 hours after, no way to detect them !

Where is the evidence of benzodiazepins?

[sadie]

Calpol evidently doesn't sedate. Benzodiazepins do as well as they are hypnotic, anxiolytic,  muscle relaxant, and amnesic. And these psychoactive drugs  leave no trail. Less than 24 hours after, no way to detect them !

yep, .... so?

[AnneGuedes]

Madeleine is a pro-active go-getting kid; she wouldn't have hesitated, IMO, from waking her siblings up if she was lonely and cried for long.

Possibly and then ?

[sadie]

yep, .... so?

Sorry ferryman.  pls answer his question.


Where is the evidence of benzodiazepins?

[faithlilly]

Sorry ferryman.  pls answer his question.


Where is the evidence of benzodiazepins?

Please explain how, at this stage, their use can categorically be ruled out ?

[sadie]

Faith

You are clutching at straws

you have invented something that there is no evidence of ... nor indications of. 

Are you Amaral?  <<< only joking

[icabodcrane]

O'Brien was indoors that night?

No idea about whether the Oldfield's offspring ever woke up.

Kate said that Amelie cried late that evening and that Madeleine had come over to them. That could explain the later crying.

Who else may have been staying in the building with young children within hearing distance?

Russel O'Brien stayed in his apartment that night and didn't go to the tapas bar 

The Oldfields only have one child  (  aged 22 months at the time  )  ...  Mrs Fenn said it was an older child who she heard crying,  and not a baby

[faithlilly]

Faith

You are clutching at straws

you have invented something that there is no evidence of ... nor indications of. 

Are you Amaral?  <<< only joking

There certainly are indications  that the twins were sedated, the only question is by whom and with what ?

[AnneGuedes]

The Oldfield baby was 19 months.

[AnneGuedes]

There certainly are indications  that the twins were sedated, the only question is by whom and with what ?

Calpol was'nt capable to product that effect. Benzodiazepins were.

[sadie]

My kids were hearty criers and were like 3-4 year olds from the age of less than a year. 

And a child in pain will scream its head off irrespective of its age

Each child is different

[sadie]

There certainly are indications  that the twins were sedated, the only question is by whom and with what ?

Possibly, I agree on May 3rd.  That fateful night.

[icabodcrane]

My kids were hearty criers and were like 3-4 year olds from the age of less than a year. 

And a child in pain will scream its head off irrespective of its age

Each child is different

Those of us who are parents are fully aware that babies have a different cry to infants of 4 years of age

It is silly to suggest  otherwise

Mrs Fenn did not hear a baby cry that night ...  she heard an infant