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AnneGuedes

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Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #105 on: July 26, 2013, 01:42:12 PM »
  It is a fact that not everything she wrote was factual or truthful.
It would take time, but it's possible, to compare, concerning the same event, the evolution of Mrs McCann's sayings. The conclusion is : where does she say the truth ? If she does..

Redblossom

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Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #106 on: July 26, 2013, 01:44:04 PM »
You make an unacceptable confusion between what somebody is and what somebody does, Benice. You certainly already lied once or thrice or more, everybody does, does that make you a liar ? No, but in this or that situation what you said was a lie.

Its really interesting how some quote the courts and say its definite proof of something, then disregard the courts when theyrule on something which is not in their interest, its called

Cherrypicking
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Redblossom

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Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #107 on: July 26, 2013, 01:47:20 PM »
It would take time, but it's possible, to compare, concerning the same event, the evolution of Mrs McCann's sayings. The conclusion is : where does she say the truth ? If she does..

Only reliable source is if it is backed up by anyone,her word cant be taken as gospel for many obvious reasons, and one of those plain reasons is she is a proven liar

AnneGuedes

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Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #108 on: July 26, 2013, 03:01:45 PM »
Its really interesting how some quote the courts and say its definite proof of something, then disregard the courts when theyrule on something which is not in their interest, its called

Cherrypicking
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I think it's worse than that and this sempiternal and reductive verdict reminds times when the guilty one had to wear a scarlet letter as a sign of shame.
Judges, in our democratic societies, rely upon an imaginative vision of human beings.

Offline Benice

Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #109 on: July 26, 2013, 08:47:17 PM »
Kate claimed as fact that cadaver odour lasts no more than thirty days, a blatant untruth and one that seems to have slipped by the censors.

As to Amaral not being able to sue Kate that's because, as you yourself have pointed out, lawyers had gone though it with a fine toothed comb before publication  and anything libellous would have been taken out. Also you seem to be confusing truthful with non-libellous. They are not the same thing.

Can I also point out that Amaral's book was also a best seller all over Europe, even before the ban, outselling Madeleine in several countries , and quite possibly would have been a best seller here too.

It was not Kate's opinion that cadaverscent lasts only 30 days, it was information she was given by an expert in the field.   There is a vast difference.

I'm not surprised Amaral's book was a success, especially in Portugal after the vicious smear campaign he conducted against the McCanns and the way he whipped up the idea that it was a case of the nasty big UK bullying poor little Portugal   - but  I wonder how many people who read Amarals's book realised from it that he had never met or spoken to the McCanns in his life.    I would imagine that little revelation would come as quite a nasty surprise to many - who when they found out, would no doubt be shocked at such dishonesty.

Unless the book on the internet is full of mis-translations, there are claims in there that are untrue and are not  confirmed by the PJ  files as he claims.

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AnneGuedes

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Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #110 on: July 26, 2013, 09:32:47 PM »
It was not Kate's opinion that cadaverscent lasts only 30 days, it was information she was given by an expert in the field.   There is a vast difference.

Which expert in the field ? Mrs McCann, though she's expected to be rigorous, as a doctor, doesn't mention any and we know, through scientific articles, not tabloids's news, that this scent, which is by the way much more complex than just cadaverine and putrescence, lasts much much longer.

AnneGuedes

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Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #111 on: July 26, 2013, 09:48:13 PM »
I'm not surprised Amaral's book was a success, especially in Portugal after the vicious smear campaign he conducted against the McCanns and the way he whipped up the idea that it was a case of the nasty big UK bullying poor little Portugal   - but  I wonder how many people who read Amarals's book realised from it that he had never met or spoken to the McCanns in his life.
 
Mrs McCann, at least, had a very strong reason to lie and f..king toss a police officer she thought trusted her but who, through evidence, stopped believing her 100%.
The trouble with you, Benice, is that you don't have..

Offline faithlilly

Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #112 on: July 26, 2013, 09:51:43 PM »
It was not Kate's opinion that cadaverscent lasts only 30 days, it was information she was given by an expert in the field.   There is a vast difference.

I'm not surprised Amaral's book was a success, especially in Portugal after the vicious smear campaign he conducted against the McCanns and the way he whipped up the idea that it was a case of the nasty big UK bullying poor little Portugal   - but  I wonder how many people who read Amarals's book realised from it that he had never met or spoken to the McCanns in his life.    I would imagine that little revelation would come as quite a nasty surprise to many - who when they found out, would no doubt be shocked at such dishonesty.

Unless the book on the internet is full of mis-translations, there are claims in there that are untrue and are not  confirmed by the PJ  files as he claims.

That any expert worth his salt would suggest that cadaver sent lasts a mere 30 days is absolute nonsense and Gerry, who we are told,  researched cadaver dogs in depth knew this, or if he didn't he should have.

As to Amaral's book, it was a bestseller all over Europe, not just in Portugal and to be honest I really don't see the relevance of whether he met the McCanns in person or not.
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Offline Benice

Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #113 on: July 27, 2013, 12:48:16 AM »
That any expert worth his salt would suggest that cadaver sent lasts a mere 30 days is absolute nonsense and Gerry, who we are told,  researched cadaver dogs in depth knew this, or if he didn't he should have.

As to Amaral's book, it was a bestseller all over Europe, not just in Portugal and to be honest I really don't see the relevance of whether he met the McCanns in person or not.

It makes no difference what the expert said - Kate had no reason to disbelieve him.   If you research Sniffer Dogs on the internet you will find loads of conflicting views - it is not a black and white subject.

Amaral never met the McCanns but it is obvious that he wanted readers of his book to think that he did.  Why was that do you think?


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #114 on: July 27, 2013, 01:01:05 AM »
If Mrs McCann produced no expert's name, it's most doubtful an expert informed her at all.
It is dishonest to state things you haven't experienced yourself without giving a reference, unless you write fiction.

Offline Benice

Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #115 on: July 27, 2013, 01:27:58 AM »
If Mrs McCann produced no expert's name, it's most doubtful an expert informed her at all.
It is dishonest to state things you haven't experienced yourself without giving a reference, unless you write fiction.

So you think Kate was so unintelligent and thick that she decided it would be a good idea to make up a story about cadaverscent and put it in her book?   IIRC the expert was an ex dog handler, but as I can't recall the details I can't vouch for that.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #116 on: July 27, 2013, 01:45:11 AM »
LOL, even if lawyers DID check it before  publication, do you know that they did? There is no way in a month of Sundays  that they would check if everything she wrote was factual!!Hello? How would they bloody know unless they spent thousands on thousands of hours poring over every single bit of the case ? Do you know that would cost millions and millions? It is a fact that not everying she wrote was factual or truthful. The only thing they conceivably may have done is check for libel. Thats it. And she sailed close to the boat on that one too.

Oh and ps that her book was a best seller is no testament or evidence  to it being truthful!
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get a grip

The lawyers would read her book at regular stages and every time she quoted something as a' fact 'they would ask her about it - and check with her that it could not be disproved.  She would then show them the evidence.    It's not rocket science. 

Much of her book is about her family, her personal feelings and her experiences - so would not need verification.






The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #117 on: July 27, 2013, 09:49:50 AM »
You make an unacceptable confusion between what somebody is and what somebody does, Benice. You certainly already lied once or thrice or more, everybody does, does that make you a liar ? No, but in this or that situation what you said was a lie.

I have never lied in a post on any forum.   If the day ever comes when I feel the need to lie to prove a point - that will be the time to walk away.

Some people don't seem to know the difference between an opinion and a lie, or the difference between an opinion and a fact.




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #118 on: July 27, 2013, 07:21:50 PM »
The lawyers would read her book at regular stages and every time she quoted something as a' fact 'they would ask her about it - and check with her that it could not be disproved.  She would then show them the evidence.   
If lawyers had checked every technical detail, this would be stated and signed at the end of the book. It isn't. You're just propagating another myth. Do the McCanns need it ?

AnneGuedes

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Re: So if the abduction occurred at 9.15pm lets look at the movements.
« Reply #119 on: July 27, 2013, 07:23:17 PM »
I have never lied in a post on any forum.   If the day ever comes when I feel the need to lie to prove a point - that will be the time to walk away.

Some people don't seem to know the difference between an opinion and a lie, or the difference between an opinion and a fact.
I didn't think of this forum, but in "real" life.
Anyhow you have a tendency to propagate myths, and this is dangerous.