The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.

[faithlilly]

Because that was the extent of her reaction at the time.   Once again you are expecting her to do what YOU think she should have done - and also with the benefit of hindsight  which she did not have.   Kate had no way of knowing what the police would do with the info she gave them - and she had her missing daughter uppermost in her mind at the time.   She would not be thinking clearly.    We know that by the end of the night the police had done nothing to check on the twins  but she didn't know that was going to be the case until after it happened.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

So she didn't mention that she thought their children may have been drugged to her husband or her closest friend who was with her virtually all of the night, because that's what you'd have us believe. Or was that another one of those 'insignificant' events that didn't cross her mind to tell anyone about until much, much later ?

[faithlilly]

I unlike the majority of the group present on that night am not a medical professional. However in a situation where a child has gone missing one would expect a member of the group to question, using their medical knowledge, why the twins weren't waking up with everything going on around them.

The Ramsay scale is applicable and is used by doctors as the de facto standard for determining sedation levels when someone is sedated or suspected of being so, the location is irrelevant.

Kate, a former anaesthetist hereself, i believe was of the opinion straight away that they had been sedated, yet never used her medical training or requested an ambulance. How odd.

And what an odd question to ask on the 5th May about the PJ having any evidence that the twins were sedated.

Why not simply take the twins to the nearest hopsital and let it be determined there?

You do not have to be a medical professional to ask highly relevant questions relating to the doctors there on that evening not using the recognised process for determining sedation when they thought it was strange the twins were sleeping so heavily, given an abductor had allegedly been in the apartment.

To suggest it is a "fake" stick is ludicrous, it is highly relevant and to date unexplained why they didn't perform these checks, call an ambulance and then 2 days later ask if the PJ had any evidence that the twins were sedated.

A valid theory can justifiably be purported using this information along the lines of the twins were indeed sedated, the parents and possibly the group knew it at the time and they did not want the authorities to find out about it.

Now you will not agree with the theory because you do not believe the parents were involved but it is a valid theory nonetheless, that alas, without a confession can never be proven given the time elapsed.

The McCanns didn't mention the twins to the FLO on the 5th, they merely asked whether there was any evidence that sedation had been used on the 3rd. Now here we have, you would think, the perfect opportunity for the McCanns to voice their concerns that the children may have been sedated and to request tests be carried out but nope, not a word. You have to ask yourself why that was, don't you ?

[Benice]

So she didn't mention that she thought their children may have been drugged to her husband or her closest friend who was with her virtually all of the night, because that's what you'd have us believe. Or was that another one of those 'insignificant' events that didn't cross her mind to tell anyone about until much, much later ?

I don't know every word Kate uttered that night.  We only know a very small part of what she said.   What I do know is that she was traumatised, distraught, terrified and in shock - so I would not expect her to have behaved rationally, or logically at any time.    Anyone who has lost their child even for a couple of minutes will have some understandng of how that affected her.     Thankfully that never happened to me - but unlike yourself apparently Faith,  I have no difficulty in imagining the total horror that accompanies that worst of all nightmares - and no way would I expect them to be thinking straight or criticise them for their reactions.



 

[faithlilly]

I don't know every word Kate uttered that night.  We only know a very small part of what she said.   What I do know is that she was traumatised, distraught, terrified and in shock - so I would not expect her to have behaved rationally, or logically at any time.    Anyone who has lost their child even for a couple of minutes will have some understandng of how that affected her.     Thankfully that never happened to me - but unlike yourself apparently Faith,  I have no difficulty in imagining the total horror that accompanies that worst of all nightmares - and no way would I expect them to be thinking straight or criticise them for their reactions.

Of course you don't know every word Benice but if she had voiced her concerns to her husband or best friend don't you think that would be in their statements ? Fiona remembers Kate putting her hands on the twins so you would have though she would remember Kate saying to her, or indeed the police that she thought the twins may have been drugged, agreed ?

Further if the McCanns were calm enough by the 5th to ask the FLOs about sedation to enable an abduction they would certainly be calm enough to ask for the twins to be tested. After all it may have answered their own questions regarding the abduction.

[Mr Gray]

I unlike the majority of the group present on that night am not a medical professional. However in a situation where a child has gone missing one would expect a member of the group to question, using their medical knowledge, why the twins weren't waking up with everything going on around them.

The Ramsay scale is applicable and is used by doctors as the de facto standard for determining sedation levels when someone is sedated or suspected of being so, the location is irrelevant.

Kate, a former anaesthetist hereself, i believe was of the opinion straight away that they had been sedated, yet never used her medical training or requested an ambulance. How odd.

And what an odd question to ask on the 5th May about the PJ having any evidence that the twins were sedated.

Why not simply take the twins to the nearest hopsital and let it be determined there?

You do not have to be a medical professional to ask highly relevant questions relating to the doctors there on that evening not using the recognised process for determining sedation when they thought it was strange the twins were sleeping so heavily, given an abductor had allegedly been in the apartment.

To suggest it is a "fake" stick is ludicrous, it is highly relevant and to date unexplained why they didn't perform these checks, call an ambulance and then 2 days later ask if the PJ had any evidence that the twins were sedated.

A valid theory can justifiably be purported using this information along the lines of the twins were indeed sedated, the parents and possibly the group knew it at the time and they did not want the authorities to find out about it.

Now you will not agree with the theory because you do not believe the parents were involved but it is a valid theory nonetheless, that alas, without a confession can never be proven given the time elapsed.

All the little things that make you suspect the McCanns are easily explained and in truth amount to nothing.
the emphasis that night would have been madeleine. There is a vacuum, and any crazy theory can be purported as a vacuum is easy to fill. There is tons more evidence that the moon is hollow and is a spacecraft. many people believe it, particularly on the ICKE site where tony Bennett posts. Doesn't make it true. How were the twins supposedly sedated. Perhaps it was calpol as DR(?) Amaral suspects. Just shows how poor his judgement is.

[Albertini]

All the little things that make you suspect the McCanns are easily explained and in truth amount to nothing.
the emphasis that night would have been madeleine. There is a vacuum, and any crazy theory can be purported as a vacuum is easy to fill.

And yet no one has "easily explained" why the twins weren't sent to hospital on the 3rd or the 5th, just like no one has "easily explained" why the tapas tennis timings contradicted each other so spectacularly, nor "easily explained" why the group killed off the investigation at the very time it was trying to recreate and iron out these discrepancies by the way of a reconstruction.

Can you explain why the theory about sedation is "crazy"? What part of it is crazy to you given what we know?

There is tons more evidence that the moon is hollow and is a spacecraft. many people believe it, particularly on the ICKE site where tony Bennett posts. Doesn't make it true. How were the twins supposedly sedated. Perhaps it was calpol as DR(?) Amaral suspects. Just shows how poor his judgement is.

There is precisely zero evidence of an abduction taking place and containing (amongst other things), one or two abductors passing children through doors and windows, using cars, but then hiding in bushes for 25 minutes to wait to be seen by the Smiths and then to go off in some boat somewhere driven by, perhaps a Victoria Beckham lookalike, or maybe instead to be kept in a "hellish lair" around the lawless hills of PDL (lol).

Now that's the stuff for Icke's forum.

No idea why you mention Tony Bennett, What's he got to do with anything?

The fact is the witnessess then and since have stated they saw behaviour which suggested the children had been sedated, including the testimony of doctors (and anaesthetists) and the evidence about what they "slept" through in that apartment that evening vindicates that theory.

We also have evidence saying the Mccann's asked on the 5th May if there was evidence of sedation.

Yet at no point do we have the McCann's requesting an ambulance or going to a hopsital to see if their twins had been drugged with something.

So i have no idea why you feel it is crazy to suggest that all these factors could lead to a theory based on the McCann's not wanting their twins to be taken to a hospital if they suspected sedation having been administered to their children.

Because as doctors to suspect an abductor has got into your apartment and sedated the twins within 48 hours of the event and then not take your children to hospital for testing is not normal and, i propose, highly suspicious.

But to you that's crazy! How strange!

[Mr Gray]

I think there were a lot more important things to do than check the twins for sedation such as trying to find what had happened to Maddie. I find your theories ridiculous. Why should the McCanns mention sedation if they themselves had sedated Maddie . doesn't make sense.

furthermore , if they were any way involved why would they have pushed for SY to investigate them.
the bottom line is  the PJ did not have the evidence to charge them. SY have enough sense to rule out the family first as they seem to have done. They have stated the family are not suspects but you still believe the mcCanns are involved. Lets hope Portugal allow SY to complete their investigations to see if they can find out what happened to Maddie and stop all this abuse directed towards the family on the internet.

[Redblossom]

I think there were a lot more important things to do than check the twins for sedation such as trying to find what had happened to Maddie.

Yes, like Kate asking her auntie that night to cancel  the tescos online shop delivery for Saturday! great priority over doing something to get her twins checked out if she was looking for signs of life! as she says.
Or ringing her friends family and priest in the UK as if they was going to help find Maddie.Meanwhile never going out to look because it was too cold and dark! Some posts do take the biscuit here sometimes.

 

[AnneGuedes]

Yes, like Kate asking her auntie that night to cancel  the tescos online shop delivery for Saturday!

Is it confirmed ? I always thought it had to be a myth.

[Mr Gray]

Yes, like Kate asking her auntie that night to cancel  the tescos online shop delivery for Saturday! great priority over doing something to get her twins checked out if she was looking for signs of life! as she says.
Or ringing her friends family and priest in the UK as if they was going to help find Maddie.Meanwhile never going out to look because it was too cold and dark! Some posts do take the biscuit here sometimes.

Nothing wrong with phoning family, or a priest.
So they didn't look because it was too cold and dark. I reckon that's an outright lie. Can you back it up?

[Mr Gray]

Is it confirmed ? I always thought it had to be a myth.

these aren't myths. Anne. These are vile people telling vile lies about a distraught couple. I will happily apologise if I am shown to be wrong.

[AnneGuedes]

Why should the McCanns mention sedation if they themselves had sedated Maddie . doesn't make sense.

1) Everybody observed it was strange both kids slept like logs in an hysteric context. But why sedate kids you don't intend to abduct and who are already sleeping ?
2) The McCanns didn't "mention sedation", they asked if the police had found traces of sedation. "If they themselves had sedated Maddie", as you suppose, they'd certainly prefer it remained ignored that unwillingly they facilitated the abduction, don't you think ?

[AnneGuedes]

Nothing wrong with phoning family, or a priest.
So they didn't look because it was too cold and dark. I reckon that's an outright lie. Can you back it up?

Darkness was mentioned, I'm sure, but unconvincingly. Actually, as a sceptic, I'd say that one thing is saying your child was abducted, another is to fake searching for your child.

[Mr Gray]

Darkness was mentioned, I'm sure, but unconvincingly. Actually, as a sceptic, I'd say that one thing is saying your child was abducted, another is to fake searching for your child.

I am sure I have read that both the McCanns went out that night although Kate stayed behind initially in case Maddie turned up

[Redblossom]

Is it confirmed ? I always thought it had to be a myth.

it was definitely said, strange *myth* for anyone to make up, I dont have the reference to hand butwill look for it later.