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Redblossom

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #180 on: August 05, 2013, 02:27:25 PM »
Could you provide the reports concerning that?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm


A search was also made for possible biological traces and fibres on the single bed from where the minor disappeared, using a variable-wave light source appropriate for the task, the result obtained having been negative.
 

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

End of the day if Kate Mccann thought her  childrens lives were at risk she should have got them tested, not wait three flipping months, what a JOKE
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AnneGuedes

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #181 on: August 05, 2013, 02:40:26 PM »

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative
Which shows Madeleine had no pad of chloroform or ether (immediate effect) on her nose when she was in her bed. She could have been in her parents' bed though, which I think wasn't inspected.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #182 on: August 05, 2013, 02:42:33 PM »
Dont need any apologies from anyone here

Fiona Payne was the only woman from the group to help in the searches. Fiona searched the periphery of the complex ' one search, which she made alone. When she returned she spent the rest of the night with Kate.

It is difficult to confirm where all the elements were in the minutes/ hours after the discovery that Madeleine was missing. It appears that most of the women remained within or near the apartments, Fiona Payne left and searched around the complex, before returning to the McCann's apartment where she stayed with Kate. Then Emma Knights (client support director) searched the beach area and asked Kate what Madeleine had been wearing. Shortly afterwards Emma returned to the McCann's apartment and stayed with Kate.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

 
Davel, do you have a link to any single person saying they saw Kate Mccann out searching that night? Any link to any police officer saying she went to speak to them? Any link to any video or paper interview Kate Mccann has done where she says she did any searching that night? Any link to any of her friendS or family  saying she did that? Over four years?I bet no. What we do have is comments made that are taken that she did not search that night, but waited until light, including her own recorded ones. In their 2008 documentary Gerry was saying he insisted Kate stay home, so many witness statements say she was at home. The only reference  to her doing any search that night comes only in 2011 in the book Madeleine. Thats it.

Now, police advice apprently is not to search, did the police advise the parents that night not to do this? or prevent the parents from doing this. I see nothing like that in the files.

The point is some people question why she didnt, thats all. So there shouldnt be any reason you get  so indignated when people say she didnt. And wonder how a mother, even with dozens of people searching could just sit there. IMO she wrote of her search in her book to answer those questions.

And next morning after sunrise,which she says she was waiting for to go out and search, she was horrified there was no one out. Well, they had been out all flipping night! And they had no sunlight.

My reference to her not searching because it cold and dark I admit could be wrong because she mentioned it in the same breath.  But the because it was dark is documented. And NO, being wrong or misconstruing something is not a deliberate lie, thank you

Mrs McCann stayed in a bedroom praying. She said: “It was really cold. I knew what pyjamas she had on and I just thought she’s going to be freezing. And it was just dark and dark and every minute seemed like an hour.
“Obviously, we were up all night and just waited for the first bit of light at six o’clock.”
Mr McCann added: “And then we went out searching, the two of us. We were saying over and over again just let her be found, let her be found.”

Taken from their ITV documentary 2008


I see a spin off thread coming  on

So first you admit it is untrue to say that kate did not search because it was cold and dark. That is absolutely untrue and repeated a lot on different forums. Shame people can't stick to the truth.
Kate says in her book that she searched that night.If you want to call her a liar, fair enough, but you have no proof she is lying. I have no reason to believe she is lying, no one as yet has accused her of lying about this in her book. You appear to be the first, about one year after it was written.

Redblossom

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #183 on: August 05, 2013, 02:42:49 PM »
Which shows Madeleine had no pad of chloroform or ether (immediate effect) on her nose when she was in her bed. She could have been in her parents' bed though, which I think wasn't inspected.

Thats right, which suspicion is confirmed by Kate Mccann saying in a bbc interview, you dont expect your child tobe taken out of your bed
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #184 on: August 05, 2013, 02:43:51 PM »
Which shows Madeleine had no pad of chloroform or ether (immediate effect) on her nose when she was in her bed. She could have been in her parents' bed though, which I think wasn't inspected.

these things leave  a very strong aftersmell and have therefore been discounted.

Redblossom

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #185 on: August 05, 2013, 02:44:16 PM »
So first you admit it is untrue to say that kate did not search because it was cold and dark. That is absolutely untrue and repeated a lot on different forums. Shame people can't stick to the truth.
Kate says in her book that she searched that night.If you want to call her a liar, fair enough, but you have no proof she is lying. I have no reason to believe she is lying, no one as yet has accused her of lying about this in her book. You appear to be the first, about one year after it was written.

Poor answer and proof you did NOT read or reflect on my post,Or you have an inability to read, oh well, your loss, read it AGAIN and rebutt all the points


Dont need any apologies from anyone here

Fiona Payne was the only woman from the group to help in the searches. Fiona searched the periphery of the complex ' one search, which she made alone. When she returned she spent the rest of the night with Kate.

It is difficult to confirm where all the elements were in the minutes/ hours after the discovery that Madeleine was missing. It appears that most of the women remained within or near the apartments, Fiona Payne left and searched around the complex, before returning to the McCann's apartment where she stayed with Kate. Then Emma Knights (client support director) searched the beach area and asked Kate what Madeleine had been wearing. Shortly afterwards Emma returned to the McCann's apartment and stayed with Kate.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

 
Davel, do you have a link to any single person saying they saw Kate Mccann out searching that night? Any link to any police officer saying she went to speak to them? Any link to any video or paper interview Kate Mccann has done where she says she did any searching that night? Any link to any of her friendS or family  saying she did that? Over four years?I bet no. What we do have is comments made that are taken that she did not search that night, but waited until light, including her own recorded ones. In their 2008 documentary Gerry was saying he insisted Kate stay home, so many witness statements say she was at home. The only reference  to her doing any search that night comes only in 2011 in the book Madeleine. Thats it.

Now, police advice apprently is not to search, did the police advise the parents that night not to do this? or prevent the parents from doing this. I see nothing like that in the files.

The point is some people question why she didnt, thats all. So there shouldnt be any reason you get  so indignated when people say she didnt. And wonder how a mother, even with dozens of people searching could just sit there. IMO she wrote of her search in her book to answer those questions.

And next morning after sunrise,which she says she was waiting for to go out and search, she was horrified there was no one out. Well, they had been out all flipping night! And they had no sunlight.

My reference to her not searching because it cold and dark I admit could be wrong because she mentioned it in the same breath.  But the because it was dark is documented. And NO, being wrong or misconstruing something is not a deliberate lie, thank you

Mrs McCann stayed in a bedroom praying. She said: “It was really cold. I knew what pyjamas she had on and I just thought she’s going to be freezing. And it was just dark and dark and every minute seemed like an hour.
“Obviously, we were up all night and just waited for the first bit of light at six o’clock.”
Mr McCann added: “And then we went out searching, the two of us. We were saying over and over again just let her be found, let her be found.”

Taken from their ITV documentary 2008


I see a spin off thread coming  on
« Last Edit: August 05, 2013, 03:10:47 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #186 on: August 05, 2013, 02:46:34 PM »
'....did not physically search for Madeleine...'

what a ridiculous post...half a sentence. Do you have any understanding of the word context. No wonder you have everything back to front

Redblossom

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #187 on: August 05, 2013, 02:48:56 PM »
what a ridiculous post...half a sentence. Do you have any understanding of the word context. No wonder you have everything back to front

And you have not provided any proof in antwayshape or form that Kate looked for her kid that night,have you?

Oh and her book doesnt count

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #188 on: August 05, 2013, 02:51:30 PM »
The parents both claim to be 'anesthetists'  and she said she was worried by the lack of response of the children.

On that basis alone, they should have rushed the children to hospital, OR got someone else to take them.

Neither happened.

so now you are giving medical opinion.It has about as much logic as the rest of your opinions. She may have initially been worried about the twins, but after a quick exam she would have been reassured they were ok

Redblossom

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #189 on: August 05, 2013, 02:52:38 PM »
so now you are giving medical opinion.It has about as much logic as the rest of your opinions. She may have initially been worried about the twins, but after a quick exam she would have been reassured they were ok

Quick exam???
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #190 on: August 05, 2013, 02:54:54 PM »
And you have not provided any proof in antwayshape or form that Kate looked for her kid that night,have you?

Oh and her book doesnt count


I don't need to provide proof. as I said ,if you read my post...if you want to disbelieve Kate....doesn't matter...it is of no consequence. The important thing is that  SY believe her.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #191 on: August 05, 2013, 02:55:03 PM »
Dont need any apologies from anyone here

Fiona Payne was the only woman from the group to help in the searches. Fiona searched the periphery of the complex ' one search, which she made alone. When she returned she spent the rest of the night with Kate.

It is difficult to confirm where all the elements were in the minutes/ hours after the discovery that Madeleine was missing. It appears that most of the women remained within or near the apartments, Fiona Payne left and searched around the complex, before returning to the McCann's apartment where she stayed with Kate. Then Emma Knights (client support director) searched the beach area and asked Kate what Madeleine had been wearing. Shortly afterwards Emma returned to the McCann's apartment and stayed with Kate.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

 
Davel, do you have a link to any single person saying they saw Kate Mccann out searching that night? Any link to any police officer saying she went to speak to them? Any link to any video or paper interview Kate Mccann has done where she says she did any searching that night? Any link to any of her friendS or family  saying she did that? Over four years?I bet no. What we do have is comments made that are taken that she did not search that night, but waited until light, including her own recorded ones. In their 2008 documentary Gerry was saying he insisted Kate stay home, so many witness statements say she was at home. The only reference  to her doing any search that night comes only in 2011 in the book Madeleine. Thats it.

Now, police advice apprently is not to search, did the police advise the parents that night not to do this? or prevent the parents from doing this. I see nothing like that in the files.

The point is some people question why she didnt, thats all. So there shouldnt be any reason you get  so indignated when people say she didnt. And wonder how a mother, even with dozens of people searching could just sit there. IMO she wrote of her search in her book to answer those questions.

And next morning after sunrise,which she says she was waiting for to go out and search, she was horrified there was no one out. Well, they had been out all flipping night! And they had no sunlight.

My reference to her not searching because it cold and dark I admit could be wrong because she mentioned it in the same breath.  But the because it was dark is documented. And NO, being wrong or misconstruing something is not a deliberate lie, thank you

Mrs McCann stayed in a bedroom praying. She said: “It was really cold. I knew what pyjamas she had on and I just thought she’s going to be freezing. And it was just dark and dark and every minute seemed like an hour.
“Obviously, we were up all night and just waited for the first bit of light at six o’clock.”
Mr McCann added: “And then we went out searching, the two of us. We were saying over and over again just let her be found, let her be found.”

Taken from their ITV documentary 2008


I see a spin off thread coming  on
Thanks for that informative reply, Redblossom. There's no report of Mrs McCann wanting to search and being dissuaded from doing it. There's no report of Mr McCann searching as well. In September, Mr McCann was asked by the PJ why he didn't search and he only said he went to the main reception to call the police (where he wasn't seen btw).
This attitude of both McCanns surprised witnesses, as did their imperative wish to see a priest. Joining the dots it sounds as if Madeleine's fate was in God's hand.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #192 on: August 05, 2013, 02:56:52 PM »
I don't need to provide proof. as I said ,if you read my post...if you want to disbelieve Kate....doesn't matter...it is of no consequence. The important thing is that  SY believe her.
Sure, the Yard believes she didn't abduct her daughter !

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #193 on: August 05, 2013, 02:58:42 PM »
Thanks for that informative reply, Redblossom. There's no report of Mrs McCann wanting to search and being dissuaded from doing it. There's no report of Mr McCann searching as well. In September, Mr McCann was asked by the PJ why he didn't search and he only said he went to the main reception to call the police (where he wasn't seen btw).
This attitude of both McCanns surprised witnesses, as did their imperative wish to see a priest. Joining the dots it sounds as if Madeleine's fate was in God's hand.

This is another thing Amaral got wrong. in the UK people see a priest when they need help , prayer, not just when someone has died

AnneGuedes

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Re: The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.
« Reply #194 on: August 05, 2013, 02:58:55 PM »
Quick exam???
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Fortunately Mrs McCann is more responsible than Davel thinks ! She checked their breathing because she knew the risk was there.