Why did Amaral and PJ suspect the McCanns and Murat as being somehow involved?

[sadie]

Kate Healy and Gerald McCann were naturally the first suspects. They achieved by means of diplomatic and PR twists to get away to their Rothley little house, but they are still the primary suspects that "failed to prove what they insisted from the start, their innocence" (Attorney General's Final Report)

Tis a strange sort of Justice where you have to prove your innocence !!!
Over here the accusers have to prove your guilt.

You were close by Luz, so if the finger of suspicion fell on you, would you have to prove YOUR innocence?

[Chinagirl]

Luz forgets that they are no longer suspects of any description, let alone primary ones!

[sadie]

This is something i will never understand about the McCanns.   I have pointed out on several threads that they have failed to emulate the enormous amount of searching which Ben Needham and Amy Fitzpatrick's parents have undertaken on the ground in Kos and in Spain respectively.   If my daughter had been taken in such circumstances I would not leave a single stone unturned literally until i found out what had happened to her. But then again my name is not Gerry McCann.  I would never put personal ambition and gain before the welfare of my daughter.

Your approach to searching is the eaxct opposite of the Mccanns.  You would use physical means alone.  They use their considerable brains.

Please dont think that I am saying that you do not have intellect, I am not.  But the chances of finding a missing child, by walking around looking,  in a foreign country the size of PT and  without the language are infitismal.

Plus the PJ were obviously trying to "fit them up"

So woulld you , Angelo, put your twins thru all the roaming around looking?    At the expence of their education and family links etc?  Would you put them at the risk of having their Mum and Dad arrested / falsely jailed on the slightest whim because certian peeps in the PJ were determined to get them?  Would you take the risk with your children that they might end up in a childrens home with the inherent risks of paedophilia there + other major disadvantages.

Time to drop that ill thought out mantra that THEY should be roaming around searching for Madeleine.  They have used a better, if unhappily unsucessful route.

Nobody could have expected all the sabotage which they have experienced.  Such as evil people tearing their posters down or splashing paint over the contact details ... and others littering the place with red herrings.

Take a bow, Luz.  You have publicly bragged about defacing those posters and spoiling the search for a missing little girl.      ... removed comment ...

[faithlilly]

Your approach to searching is the eaxct opposite of the Mccanns.  You would use physical means alone.  They use their considerable brains.

Please dont think that I am saying that you do not have intellect, I am not.  But the chances of finding a missing child, by walking around looking,  in a foreign country the size of PT and  without the language are infitismal.

Plus the PJ were obviously trying to "fit them up"

So woulld you , Angelo, put your twins thru all the roaming around looking?    At the expence of their education and family links etc?  Would you put them at the risk of having their Mum and Dad arrested / falsely jailed on the slightest whim because certian peeps in the PJ were determined to get them?  Would you take the risk with your children that they might end up in a childrens home with the inherent risks of paedophilia there + other major disadvantages.

Time to drop that ill thought out mantra that THEY should be roaming around searching for Madeleine.  They have used a better, if unhappily unsucessful route.

Nobody could have expected all the sabotage which they have experienced.  Such as evil people tearing their posters down or splashing paint over the contact details ... and others littering the place with red herrings.

Take a bow, Luz.  You have publicly bragged about defacing those posters and spoiling the search for a missing little girl.     

Amaral was gone by October so are you saying Rebelo was also trying to 'fit' the McCanns up and the PJ still are ?

[sadie]

Amaral was gone by October so are you saying Rebelo was also trying to 'fit' the McCanns up and the PJ still are ?

No, I am not    Rebelo struck me as a decent guy, on the whole.  He got some things wrong, but I dont think he is a bully

But I am saying that there were others in the PJ who were Amarals allies, who had a background of torture bullying and lies.... and fitting people up.

Thank God they are in a minority .... BUT they were powerful and forceful minority

[stephen25000]

Your approach to searching is the eaxct opposite of the Mccanns.  You would use physical means alone.  They use their considerable brains.

Please dont think that I am saying that you do not have intellect, I am not.  But the chances of finding a missing child, by walking around looking,  in a foreign country the size of PT and  without the language are infitismal.

Plus the PJ were obviously trying to "fit them up"

So woulld you , Angelo, put your twins thru all the roaming around looking?    At the expence of their education and family links etc?  Would you put them at the risk of having their Mum and Dad arrested / falsely jailed on the slightest whim because certian peeps in the PJ were determined to get them?  Would you take the risk with your children that they might end up in a childrens home with the inherent risks of paedophilia there + other major disadvantages.

Time to drop that ill thought out mantra that THEY should be roaming around searching for Madeleine.  They have used a better, if unhappily unsucessful route.

Nobody could have expected all the sabotage which they have experienced.  Such as evil people tearing their posters down or splashing paint over the contact details ... and others littering the place with red herrings.

Take a bow, Luz.  You have publicly bragged about defacing those posters and spoiling the search for a missing little girl.     

Nobody has stopped the Mccanns 'searching' for Madeleine,that's a forum myth.

The PJ stopped looking for an abducted child, since they found no evidence of abdcution

We now have had well over 6 years of a 'search' which has achieved precisely nothing, even with a reward on offer.

The statistics as regards the recovery of missing children are well known after such an extended period are well known.

The 'mccannites' as they are called wax lyrical, but how many of them have searched for Madeleine.

Physical searching does achieve results, going for a stroll on the beach the morning after your child disappears is an insult. Anyone casn say

Using peoples hard earned donated money to pay for your nmortgage and legal expenses is gross, especially when the Mccanns were responsible for what happened.

If the Mccanns had used their 'considerable brains'  (now that's a classic) in the first place,  we would not be here today.

People with even a basic level of intelligence and commonsense don't place their children in needless jeopardy, the Mccanns did,NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, and Madeleine paid the price.

[stephen25000]

I note again, as per usual, when some Mccann supporters make comments, they assume the 'abduction' is a fact.

It isn't, as they regularly tell anyone else who believes she died in the apartment.

[Chinagirl]

Not only McCann supporters.  Scotland Yard are assuming this as well, which means a whole heap more than your scepticism!

[stephen25000]

Not only McCann supporters.  Scotland Yard are assuming this as well, which means a whole heap more than your scepticism!

Skepticism, no. Logic and reason, yes.

So where is this mystical proof of abduction ?

If SY really had a clue as to Madeleine's whereabouts, whether alive or dead, as I believe, she would have been found.

Anything else is just pie in the sky.

P.S. Do you have any awareness what percentage of reported crimes SY solve ?

[Lyall]

What story?  They are not public property.   The group of friends have nothing to defend - as they have committed no crimes and are under no obligation to make any public comments.   They were witnesses who gave their accounts of what happened during their time in PdL to the PJ as required, including the events of 3rd May.  They have not changed those statements.   The secrecy laws forbade them from discussing the case in public.   If you choose not to believe their statements - then that is not their problem.   

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But they did discuss the case in public, after it became clear Madeleine's parents were being suspected. Before that though you're right, not a peep.

[Lyall]

Could they say anything else when the Prime Minister unequivocally gave his position on the case in Parliament?

[sadie]

Could they say anything else when the Prime Minister unequivocally gave his position on the case in Parliament?

Big brains at work there.  Pity about some on here


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[sadie]

Oh dear.

As you and a few others keep referring to SY.

Barry George...Redwood...incompetent.

Get the connection ?

SY believe she may have been abducted.

So where is the proof of abdication ?

Meanwhile what has any member of the PJ got to do with the disappearance of Madeleine from the apartment ?

So glad that you are now agreeing that Amaral abdicated on his duty to try and find Madeleine.  He preferred to try and "fit up" the Mccanns. 

I ask myself,
1)  Why would this man be so keen to "fit people up"?

2)  Why did he decide the following morning after the abduction that The Mccanns dunit? Before seeing any evidence?

3)  Why did he put out, or allow out, propaganda against The Mccanns.  Same as he did with Leonor Cipriano.   Disgraceful

4)  Why did he rush through making The Mccanns arguidos?   Was it because the Law was being tightened up in a few days.  That he wouldn't be allowed to make them arguidos in a few days time cos he had nothing criminal against them?  Was it to save his face or something more sinister?

5)  Why did he, or officers under his command, lie to Gerry and tell him they had proof that Madeleines body had been carried inn the hire car .  A car that wasn't even in the Mccanns possesssion until weeks after Madeleine went missing

Oh and I could go on ... lots more questions

[sadie]

Same question to you, what has this man got to do with the disappearance of Madeleine from the apartment ?

One thing of note was that at one time Amaral said he knew what had happened to Madeleine.  Where she was.    That is on record.

He KNEW ?  Hmmm?

[stephen25000]

So glad that you are now agreeing that Amaral abdicated on his duty to try and find Madeleine.  He preferred to try and "fit up" the Mccanns. 

I ask myself,
1)  Why would this man be so keen to "fit people up"?

2)  Why did he decide the following morning after the abduction that The Mccanns dunit? Before seeing any evidence?

3)  Why did he put out, or allow out, propaganda against The Mccanns.  Same as he did with Leonor Cipriano.   Disgraceful

4)  Why did he rush through making The Mccanns arguidos?   Was it because the Law was being tightened up in a few days.  That he wouldn't be allowed to make them arguidos in a few days time cos he had nothing criminal against them?  Was it to save his face or something more sinister?

5)  Why did he, or officers under his command, lie to Gerry and tell him they had proof that Madeleines body had been carried inn the hire car .  A car that wasn't even in the Mccanns possesssion until weeks after Madeleine went missing

Oh and I could go on ... lots more questions

Stop talking rubbish.

The Mccanns were never fitted up.

That is one of your fantasies.

The PJ could not find evidence of abduction.

Haven't you grasped that concept yet ?

Would you prefer that in highlighted writing with bright colours perhaps ?