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ferryman

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Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2013, 09:13:47 AM »


On July 11th at 10am, a confrontation is organised between the witnesses - Rachael Mampilly, Fiona Payne and Russell O'Brien - and Robert Murat.  Nothing new comes out of it.  The former persist in stating that the suspect was definitely in the area on the night of the disappearance.  Murat denies the whole thing and even accuses them of lying.  Each side stands its ground.  The only positive aspect of this meeting: the McCanns' friends undertake to return to Portugal for the purpose of the investigation.  That will not happen.

The Gospel according to St Goncalo (again)

I'm looking for the account of the confrontation from the files.

I'm fairly confident Jane Tanner didn't take part in it.

Sorry.  Re-read that.  Amaral doesn't say Jane took part.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2013, 09:17:52 AM »
The Gospel according to St Goncalo (again)

I'm looking for the account of the confrontation from the files.

I'm fairly confident Jane Tanner didn't take part in it.

She didn't have to as she already identified him two days earlier.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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ferryman

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Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2013, 09:19:47 AM »
She didn't have to as she already identified him two days earlier.

At no point did Jane Tanner identify Robert Murat as the man she saw carrying a child ...

Offline Carana

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2013, 09:22:59 AM »
The Gospel according to St Goncalo (again)

I'm looking for the account of the confrontation from the files.

I'm fairly confident Jane Tanner didn't take part in it.

Sorry.  Re-read that.  Amaral doesn't say Jane took part.

He does in the interview I posted above.

She wasn't at that confrontation:

 08-Processo, Volume V, pages 1957 to 1958

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Processo, Volume VIII, pages 1957 to 1958

RECORD OF CONFRONTATION

---- On 11 July, at 10:00, in the premises of the Department of Criminal Investigation of the Portimao Judicial Police, before me, Paulo Ferreira, Inspector, and Dr. Guilhermino Encarnacao, Deputy National Director of Judicial Police, appeared the defendant ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT, already identified in the file, in order to proceed with his interrogation. Following on [prior] interrogatory work and contradictions having been seen between that which the defendant said and that of the witnesses, RACHEL MARIAMMA JEAN MAMPILLY, RUSSEL JAMES O'BRIEN, and FIONA ELAINE PAYNE, all also duly identified in the file, given that in the depositions of these people there exist clear contradictions with the answers of the defendant, this present work proceeded.
---- This work was conducted in the presence of the defence attorney of the defendant, Dr. Francisco Pagarete, as well as Mrs Carla E., translator and interpreter who translated all the declarations in English and vice versa, that having been started at 12:00.
---- By the first confronter, RACHEL MARIAMMA JEAN MAMPILLY it was said that she confirms her deposition recorded at pages 1212 ff. of the case file, namely that she saw the defendant present in this confrontation at about 23h30 on 03 May 2007 in the circumstances that she makes clear in the [above] document.
---- By the second confronter, RUSSEL JAMES O'BRIEN it was said that he confirms his testimony recorded in pages 1320 and 1321, specifically when it states that he saw the defendant ROBERT MURAT on the night on which occurred the events now under investigation, that is on the night on which Madeleine disappeared, about 01:00 in the early hours of 04 May last, [and] in all the rest he confirms his testimony in what it says with respect to the contact that he had with the defendant.
---- By the third confronter, FIONA ELAINE PAYNE it was said that she confirms her testimony recorded in pages 1323 and 1324, namely when it states that she saw the defendant for the first time, personally, on the night of 03 May about 23h30 outside, next to the door of the McCann apartment in the company of officers of the GNR that in the meantime had already arrived at the place. In all the rest she confirms the "circumstantionalism" [all encompassing circumstances] of the approach that she made to the defendant.
---- By the fourth confronter the accused ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT it was said that it is a lie [fabrication] what the other confronters had said because on that night of the disappearance of Madeleine he was not nor had been in that place, not having on the night of 03 May 2007 even gone out of
his house.
---- Nothing else was declared by the confronters, this document having been read to them they found it conforms (with their statements made) it is going to be signed by all the participants.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm





Offline Angelo222

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2013, 09:37:41 AM »
I don't see Tanner's signature on that document?  In any event it refers to four participants, not five.
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De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Carana

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2013, 09:40:51 AM »
I don't see Tanner's signature on that document?


Neither do I.

In that article, Amaral seems to have got Jane Tanner mixed up with Fiona Payne.

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2013, 11:21:46 AM »

Neither do I.

In that article, Amaral seems to have got Jane Tanner mixed up with Fiona Payne.

Then perhaps you can extend to  Amaral the same understanding you extend to the McCanns and their friends for their lapses in memory. After all it was nearly three years after the incident.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Albertini

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2013, 12:46:35 PM »
She seems to be trying to explain why she agree to ring Bob Small (and this was AFTER the van episode).

I really don't see the issue.

The reason she rang Bob Small isn't the issue.

Her saying "i just thought it was", is the issue.

If you can't see why that admission would be important then i can't help you.

It can not have been describing Murat as the others had, as tanner never made a statement saying she saw him around the OC.

Ther only time she can have "just thought it was" was in relation to the van episode.

Offline Carana

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #68 on: September 04, 2013, 12:59:47 PM »
The reason she rang Bob Small isn't the issue.

Her saying "i just thought it was", is the issue.

If you can't see why that admission would be important then i can't help you.

It can not have been describing Murat as the others had, as tanner never made a statement saying she saw him around the OC.

Ther only time she can have "just thought it was" was in relation to the van episode.

I can't help you, either. That sentence was finished by the police officer, and then she continued to explain why she decided to call Bob Small when the others had mentioned that he'd been on TV - which was AFTER her van episode.

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #69 on: September 04, 2013, 12:59:53 PM »
Kate and her husband had access to the files, are highly intelligent individuals and had extensively researched the use of cadaver dogs, yet Kate still managed to state wrongly in her book that cadaver scent only lasted thirty days.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Carana

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2013, 01:28:22 PM »
How did this Murat v. Tanner case evolve? I don't recall ever reading anything more about it.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2013, 01:34:01 PM »

How did this Murat v. Tanner case evolve? I don't recall ever reading anything more about it.

Neither have I Carana.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2013, 01:45:54 PM »
Another fantasy? 

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2013, 01:49:02 PM »
Kate and her husband had access to the files, are highly intelligent individuals and had extensively researched the use of cadaver dogs, yet Kate still managed to state wrongly in her book that cadaver scent only lasted thirty days.

Is there a definitive answer to that question, Faith?  How do you know that 30 days is wrong?

Offline Cudge

Re: The Jane Tanner surveillance of Robert Murat episode.
« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2013, 01:52:00 PM »
Another fantasy?

Was the source not Blacksmith ?