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Benita

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Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #60 on: September 24, 2013, 01:14:41 PM »
Pathetic attack on Amaral, yet again.

Just another diversion from the source of this case.

2 incompetent parents.


well you would say that you being a amaral supporter ....the mccanns aren't criminals and don't have a criminal record ....get over it fgs AMARAL IS A CRIM sorry if that upsets you honey  8)-)))

Offline Luz

Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #61 on: September 24, 2013, 01:15:12 PM »
Very true Lyall and the sad part is that the welfare of Madeleine McCann doesn't enter into their reasoning.  No person would class a missing child as deceased, a normal person would hope and pray that she is found alive and reunited with her family.

And that is the hope that her parents cling to. And so would any parent who has a missing child or family who have a missing loved one.  That hope being that one day their child/loved one will be found and reunited with them and they can start to rebuild their lives together.

Neither does it enter yours or her parents. Having had the possibility of avoiding all the bad press that came out of this trial they chose to make it public. They do not care what effect it may have on the twins as long as it gets them back in the news, imo.
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Offline LagosBen

Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2013, 01:25:21 PM »
Does it enter anyones head that all the McCanns ever wanted from him (Amaral), was for him to stop claiming that their child was dead.

He gave up the search for Madeleine due to his "Theory" (ask Paiva if you don't believe me). The McCanns have not And never will give up their search.

Offline Luz

Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2013, 01:26:15 PM »

well you would say that you being a amaral supporter ....the mccanns aren't criminals and don't have a criminal record ....get over it fgs AMARAL IS A CRIM sorry if that upsets you honey  8)-)))

You and your associates may go on repeating the falsehoods you wish but what we know is that Mrs and Mr McCann are suspects in the disappearance of their child. The fact that they had the "arguido" status (which is granted only while an active investigation or inquiry are on) lifted doesn't mean their situation as prime suspects has changed, as the Archiving Report States: "they failed to prove their innocence".

Benita

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Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2013, 01:26:43 PM »
Does it enter anyones head that all the McCanns ever wanted from him (Amaral), was for him to stop claiming that their child was dead.

He gave up the search for Madeleine due to his "Theory" (ask Paiva if you don't believe me). The McCanns have not And never will give up their search.


exactly 8((()*/!!!

Offline Luz

Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2013, 01:30:29 PM »
Does it enter anyones head that all the McCanns ever wanted from him (Amaral), was for him to stop claiming that their child was dead.

He gave up the search for Madeleine due to his "Theory" (ask Paiva if you don't believe me). The McCanns have not And never will give up their search.

Misinformation, as usual. He didn't give up, he was moved from the investigation by his superiors (the National PJ Director), probably (speculating) because he was closer to the truth than it was comfortable to the "superior interests" involved .

C.Edwards

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Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2013, 01:35:24 PM »
Does it enter anyones head that all the McCanns ever wanted from him (Amaral), was for him to stop claiming that their child was dead.

He gave up the search for Madeleine due to his "Theory" (ask Paiva if you don't believe me). The McCanns have not And never will give up their search.

You are not privy to all that Amaral knows. Did you ever consider that?  There are things that are known that cannot be used in a court of law due to daft Portuguese evidence-gathering loopholes.  I can't evidence it due to my source, but I trust them implicitly and they are in a position to know.  This is *probably* why Amaral has said about the McCanns... "they know I know..."

So just hypothetically lets say that there's an investigation going on in Botswana, for example. The Botswanan  nvestigating team, say, intercept a phone call or two that kind of gives away the game a little on the investigation they're working on.  Due to the fact that they failed to ask in advance and fill out the correct forms for monitoring phone calls, it's not possible for them to use the evidence they've gathered in court.  Hmm.  So what do they do?  They call in the suspects and lean on them. They lean HARD. Some of the suspects get very upset and cry because they're terrified that their clever ruse has been uncovered and they're for it, big style.  Some of the suspects even say they can't go on, it's over, they're finished.  Fortunately for the suspects and unfortunately for the police, the suspects are made of stern stuff and gather themselves and form, shall we say, a pact of silence.  They may even say that the police have got nothing on them as long as they stick together and say nothing.  They also have powerful and influential lawyers and are able to avoid further investigation.

What can the Botswanan police do?  Well one thing they may do is pretty much call off the whole investigation, say they can't establish what happened, but also indicate that they know damn well what happened and they're not looking for anyone else.

I know that some of you will not have a clue what that's all about.  That's ok, it's all a complete fabrication, of course.  8((()*/

Offline LagosBen

Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2013, 01:37:12 PM »
Misinformation, as usual. He didn't give up, he was moved from the investigation by his superiors (the National PJ Director), probably (speculating) because he was closer to the truth than it was comfortable to the "superior interests" involved .

What ?? I can't recall Paivas exact words but they went something like "No sightings etc or leads were followed up..due to Amarals theory/ies.

I suggest you go back to the first Trial tweets missy.

Offline gilet

Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2013, 01:40:59 PM »
Pathetic attack on Amaral, yet again.

Just another diversion from the source of this case.

2 incompetent parents.

Not a diversion at all.

You only seem to see incompetent parents. The parents who used the same kind of checking system on their children that operated in many resorts, hotels, Butlins Camps for decades which you declare to be a sign of their incompetence.

But you miss the incompetent cop. The one who tells us his fingerprint experts were crap. The one who signed off a document he had no idea was true or not. The one who got booted off the McCann case for his illegal comments to the journalist, the one who got himself convicted and sentenced for some kind of "paperwork error" :).

And why do you ignore the incompetent cop and the incompetent investigation he coordinated? Because you don't care about any search for Madeleine. You are one of those people fixated on the guilt of the parents in covering up a totally un-evidenced death. You cannot understand that when there is not one shred of evidence of the death of the child all options remain open.

Offline LagosBen

Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2013, 01:42:45 PM »
You are not privy to all that Amaral knows. Did you ever consider that?  There are things that are known that cannot be used in a court of law due to daft Portuguese evidence-gathering loopholes.  I can't evidence it due to my source, but I trust them implicitly and they are in a position to know.  This is *probably* why Amaral has said about the McCanns... "they know I know..."

So just hypothetically lets say that there's an investigation going on in Botswana, for example. The Botswanan  nvestigating team, say, intercept a phone call or two that kind of gives away the game a little on the investigation they're working on.  Due to the fact that they failed to ask in advance and fill out the correct forms for monitoring phone calls, it's not possible for them to use the evidence they've gathered in court.  Hmm.  So what do they do?  They call in the suspects and lean on them. They lean HARD. Some of the suspects get very upset and cry because they're terrified that their clever ruse has been uncovered and they're for it, big style.  Some of the suspects even say they can't go on, it's over, they're finished.  Fortunately for the suspects and unfortunately for the police, the suspects are made of stern stuff and gather themselves and form, shall we say, a pact of silence.  They may even say that the police have got nothing on them as long as they stick together and say nothing.  They also have powerful and influential lawyers and are able to avoid further investigation.

What can the Botswanan police do?  Well one thing they may do is pretty much call off the whole investigation, say they can't establish what happened, but also indicate that they know damn well what happened and they're not looking for anyone else.

I know that some of you will not have a clue what that's all about.  That's ok, it's all a complete fabrication, of course.  8((()*/

FROM CEDWARDS - "You are not privy to all that Amaral knows. Did you ever consider that? "

No really? And you and the other antibunnies are? Yeah right.

Has it ever occurred to you and others, that claiming Amaral is smarter than the other Portuguese authorities above him in rank is in fact, very insulting to those people.

Offline LagosBen

Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2013, 01:44:04 PM »
Not a diversion at all.

You only seem to see incompetent parents. The parents who used the same kind of checking system on their children that operated in many resorts, hotels, Butlins Camps for decades which you declare to be a sign of their incompetence.

But you miss the incompetent cop. The one who tells us his fingerprint experts were crap. The one who signed off a document he had no idea was true or not. The one who got booted off the McCann case for his illegal comments to the journalist, the one who got himself convicted and sentenced for some kind of "paperwork error" :).

And why do you ignore the incompetent cop and the incompetent investigation he coordinated? Because you don't care about any search for Madeleine. You are one of those people fixated on the guilt of the parents in covering up a totally un-evidenced death. You cannot understand that when there is not one shred of evidence of the death of the child all options remain open.

I'm only surprised that he isn't up for some sort of sainthood.. 8-)(--)

C.Edwards

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Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2013, 01:45:54 PM »
Not a diversion at all.

You only seem to see incompetent parents. The parents who used the same kind of checking system on their children that operated in many resorts, hotels, Butlins Camps for decades which you declare to be a sign of their incompetence.

But you miss the incompetent cop. The one who tells us his fingerprint experts were crap. The one who signed off a document he had no idea was true or not. The one who got booted off the McCann case for his illegal comments to the journalist, the one who got himself convicted and sentenced for some kind of "paperwork error" :).

And why do you ignore the incompetent cop and the incompetent investigation he coordinated? Because you don't care about any search for Madeleine. You are one of those people fixated on the guilt of the parents in covering up a totally un-evidenced death. You cannot understand that when there is not one shred of evidence of the death of the child all options remain open.

...and... breathe.

incompetent - rant, rant, rant - disgraced - rant, rant, rant - fixated on the guilt - rant, rant, rant.

So you'd rather the investigating force (wasn't just Amaral, remember!) just carried on doing what the parents wanted? "look over there, don't look over here!" even though there wasn't a shred of evidence to support abduction.  Would you have had the entire portuguese police force out combing the scrubland for years? Knocking on every door?

What, practically, can they have done to "carry on the search"?  Surely the parents had a fund for such things. The police seemed content they'd done all they could and just because this didn't fit in with the McCann agenda doesn't mean it was wrong!

C.Edwards

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Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2013, 01:47:40 PM »
FROM CEDWARDS - "You are not privy to all that Amaral knows. Did you ever consider that? "

No really? And you and the other antibunnies are? Yeah right.

Has it ever occurred to you and others, that claiming Amaral is smarter than the other Portuguese authorities above him in rank is in fact, very insulting to those people.

Where did I claim he was smarter?  I have no idea what other people know. I'm fortunate to have some interesting connections, yes. I used to be a lot more ambivalent about the McCanns until I met these connections a few years ago!

AnneGuedes

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Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2013, 01:48:48 PM »
No person would class a missing child as deceased, a normal person would hope and pray that she is found alive and reunited with her family.
Very true TTSOFAFM : no (innocent) person... And the McCanns very well know that.

Offline Luz

Re: Cause and effect. Dated articles that predate Amaral's book.
« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2013, 01:55:23 PM »
What ?? I can't recall Paivas exact words but they went something like "No sightings etc or leads were followed up..due to Amarals theory/ies.

I suggest you go back to the first Trial tweets missy.

Considering that all leads were followed, as can be checked in the PJ files, and that you don't give any substantiated proof that Ricardo Paiva (one of Amaral's strongest supporters) ever said that, I recommend you read (or re-read) Mark Harrison's report, the expert suggested by the british detectives (Leicestershire) that were part of he task force.

At the time all decisions were made by portuguese and british police involved in the search, and the request for this expert to become involved was formally made by Guilhermino Encarnação (Faro's PJ director).
The report was made under the assumption that, according to the expertise, a murder had been committed, the reason why the dogs (those poor vilified beautiful creatures) were called...

As you will be able to read on that report, this expert was called after the McCann called upon Krueger and his "dead find" machine from South Africa.

So, implying that it was Amaral that initiated the search for a dead Maddie is a TOTAL LIE. It was the McCann that started it..

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id293.html
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