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icabodcrane

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #165 on: September 28, 2013, 05:45:50 PM »
Please point to any post I have made on this forum where I claim that Pike did a good job?#
You cannot because I have not. Your inability to read plain English does you a great disservice.

I did explain, quite correctly, that Pike has much more authority to be able to pronounce on the matters than you have.

In making this error in your reading you have completely swerved the question I posed to you about your own abilities in determining the mental state of the McCanns without expertise or contact with the couple.  Instead you post more inanity.



Saying that Alan Pike has  'more authority'  to pronounce on matters of psychiatric illness  (  of which suicidal depression is one  )   than a forum member here  is a bit like saying a vet has more authority to perform surgery on a human than a butcher

Alan Pike has no background  in medicine at all,  let alone the specialist medical field of psychiatric illness

When Kate McCann told him she was having suicidal thoughts he was  not qualified to evaluate whether she presented an actual suicide risk  ...   yet that is what he did,  according to his testimony ...   he arbitrarily  (  for he believes Kate did not discuss her suicidal thoughts with anyone else  )  came to the conclusion that she she would not actually  'do it' 

Pike did   NOT,  and  does   not have the authority  to pronounce  on such  matters 

He is not  a mental health professional    ....   not even an  'actual'  psychologist  ...  just a self-proclaimed   'crisis councellor'   

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #166 on: September 28, 2013, 05:55:08 PM »
Do you get off on being abusive as its such an important part of your posting style.
Morphed or otherwise you still have not answered the questions have you?
Swerving like mad to answer.

And what is this nonsense from you about you being on trial?

Forums are founded on questions, answers opinions and such like.
Just because you can't see that does not mean it isn't so!

Its a ploy, to get rid of you Gilet. Or make you say something that will get you banned. Edwards is known for it. Amazon must have lost its fun eliment. Ignore!
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C.Edwards

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #167 on: September 28, 2013, 06:01:09 PM »
Patronising comments such as that from you about me being a princess are a form of abuse as is your attempt to bring in comments (which you seem to think were made by me) on other forums.

As for your friends in Portugal who morphed from their positions in Leicester, whether PJ or GNR or simply roadsweepers working for the local council, they don't make you an expert on this case,

Nor for that matter does your claiming to have seen Kate McCann once while out shopping.

What is perfectly clear is that you have not answered any of the questions I have posed to you about your claiming to be able to pronounce on the mental state of a person who you have had no contact with and about your other claims made today.

So instead of posting patronising words, anecdotes about seeing someone out shopping and other inanities for "comic effect" it would be appreciated if you could address the actual issues.

I still do not see how anyone can defend the public letter which Leal sent to Kate McCann. It reeks of jealousy about higher salaries, and makes a laughig stock of the now disgraced ex-detective when she refers to him being a scoundrel (presumably referring to his bedroom exploits).

How, what and why I post is nothing to do with you. If admin/mods have a problem, they will let me know. You know, I assume, where the "report" button is, right? It appears from my exchanges with you today (half of which were whilst I was out walking the dog) that you're struggling with the ability to understand certain things. In evidence I give your failure to understand the meaning of the word "petulant", your utter and complete misreading of Joana Morais's post "Open Letter: Gonçalo Amaral's Wife reacts Ironically to Kate's Attack" (http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/09/open-letter-gonalo-amaral-wife-reacts.html) in which you have failed to spot the irony Joana is referring to in general terms and SPECIFICALLY the bit where you think she is being jealous about salaries! and lastly your failure to pick up on numerous turns of phrase which you've interpreted literally and in between that you've been ranting and tantruming like a tired out toddler.  As to you not being the person who posted on STM with the same mistake about my friends/// yeah, course you're not T2, course not  8(0(*  I frankly don't give a damn, but I don't even see why you'd bother denying it.

Anyhow, have lost track of all your demands if you really want to carry on having sand kicked in your metaphorical face, please feel free to relist them and I'll get back to you if I'm interested enough.


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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #168 on: September 28, 2013, 06:02:29 PM »
Its a ploy, to get rid of you Gilet. Or make you say something that will get you banned. Edwards is known for it. Amazon must have lost its fun eliment. Ignore!

When, precisely, did I last post on Amazon. Just out of interest, you know.  If tr... I mean gilet wants to get banned then it's entirely his lookout.

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #169 on: September 28, 2013, 06:26:16 PM »
Its a ploy, to get rid of you Gilet. Or make you say something that will get you banned. Edwards is known for it. Amazon must have lost its fun eliment. Ignore!
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If you think CE  would waste his/her precious  time and energy doing any such petty thing, then, frankly, you are an extremely bad judge of character, and obviously of many other things....
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Not projecting were you? Perchance?






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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #170 on: September 28, 2013, 06:42:21 PM »


I still do not see how anyone can defend the public letter which Leal sent to Kate McCann[/b]. It reeks of jealousy about higher salaries, and makes a laughig stock of the now disgraced ex-detective when she refers to him being a scoundrel (presumably referring to his bedroom exploits).

Well thats YOUR problem, its called right of reply! To public abuse! And slander.Sofia Leal had the right to reply likewise in PUBLIC with examples to refute the accusations! YOU would have done exact same and MORE  IF youre honest.

AS for jealousy of higher salries, cant you read or comprehend? Amaral did not go for promotion/higher salary to sit in some swanky office.....AS A CHOICE..... wanted to remain doing his on the ground job! DOH
 8-)(--)

As for any sexual references, her prerogrative, just as Kate Mccann had to fill our eardrums or eyeballs rather with details of how and why she couldnt make love to Gerry! Puke! Serialised in the SUN as part of their half a millin quid payment for it! You know the newspaper group she complained about at Leveson that made her feel mentally raped! By printing her diary!

Hypocrite!

« Last Edit: September 28, 2013, 06:45:15 PM by Redblossom »

Offline Angelo222

Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #171 on: November 20, 2016, 04:03:20 PM »
This is a spanking good thread, well worth bringing back.


Open letter to Mrs Kate Healy

 Dear Madam,

You will forgive my boldness, but after I read your comment (in an interview to Expresso newspaper) concerning Gonçalo Amaral, my husband and the father of my daughters, I cannot avoid sending you these words of gratefulness. For many years, I have been trying to make myself heard in this sentiment that unites us both: "…as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Look at it closely:

a) Professionally

 - As a Coordinator of Criminal Investigation for the Polícia Judiciária, my husband has always refused to sit around from 9 to 5 in the comfortable chair in his office, as his hierarchical status implies. Instead, he spent the day (and very often, the night) with the investigators on the terrain, coordinating searches, surveillances, apprehensions and other diligences 'in loco'. A disgrace!

But if it was only the fact that he was subject to the weather, it wouldn't be serious, as our climate is not too bad, as you know. The problem is that this dedication to the cause has earned him a non promotion in his career. Indeed, I will explain this to you, even because this case happened when the searches for your daughter were under way. My husband applied to the category of Superior Coordinator, and in between drug apprehensions, sequestrations and homicides, he somehow managed to produce a thesis about drug trafficking by sea, which he defended in Lisbon, in front of a Jury that congratulated him. Full of hope, Gonçalo Amaral returns to the Algarve and awaits the result. To his surprise, he was passed over by other colleagues (real coordinators, truth be told), because he had not been able to score points in the "professional formation" parameter. That's right, Mrs Kate, my husband spent his life working, involved in complex investigations, he was the man who apprehended the highest volumes of drugs in Portugal, but given the fact that he had no time to go to Lisbon to parade himself up and down the corridors of the PJ's Institute, he was not promoted. A disgrace, madam, a disgrace!

 - As you probably know, even because you seem like a very well informed person to me, my husband's salary was less than 1.5 times the lowest salary in your country. But as a wife, as a mother and as a Portuguese citizen, I can't complain, because Gonçalo Amaral's salary was equal to 4.5 times the lowest salary in Portugal. But pay attention to the following, which is an example of what I'm going to explain next: At some point, an individual shoots a member of the PSP [urban police] and flees into neighbouring Spain. A PJ team follows him, including my husband. They stayed there for over two weeks. Now at that time, the international expense coverage was around 100 euros. As you can easily imagine, it's not possible to sleep and eat in Spain with this amount of money, much less shortly before Christmas and taking into account that the value will only be paid at around Easter time (if one's lucky). But Gonçalo Amaral never refused, not even for one day, to search for the escaped murderer, relaying the expenses onto our family accounts. And this is just one example among many. At some point in time, I suggested that we should create a fund or something similar to deal with these extraordinary expenses, but he never listened to me. You see, we also have mortgages to pay around here… A disgrace, Mrs Kate, a disgrace!

b) As a person, his behaviour has also been a disgrace, because to begin with we could never distinguish that he even had a personal life, due to the manner in which he dealt with the profession that he embraced. But if my good friend Mrs Kate allows me, I can offer you some examples:

- 5 years ago, a child named Joana "disappeared". Her mother, just like you, Mrs Kate, tried to project the case into the media, but she didn't make it any further than SIC…

Eight days later, came the confessions and the evidence: during an incestuous act between mother and uncle, the child was beaten, then dismembered and her body dumped who knows where. Mother and uncle went to jail, in a process that was coordinated by Gonçalo Amaral and which earned them almost 20 years in jail, each. But let us go a bit back in time. The child died on the 12th of September. On Christmas eve, our family was reunited for prayer, when my husband asked me to prepare a bag with some food and warm clothes, because he had not carried out his Christmas act of penance. Can you, Mrs Kate, imagine where Gonçalo Amaral went on that Christmas night under heavy rain and thunder? He went to the Olhão Prison, where João Cipriano, Joana's uncle, a confessed murderer and a clinically diagnosed psychopath, is detained. According to my husband, to simply offer an alimony to some beggar was not a sacrifice to him. The fact that he embraced and shared his Christmas meal with João Cipriano was the sacrifice that he offered to God, in memory of Joana. Is this not a disgrace? You should also know that every year, on the 12th of September, my husband has a mass celebrated in memory of Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro. He says that nobody will ever remember the poor little girl again. Right, but they remember to unjustly accuse him of actions and crimes that he never committed. Isn't this a disgrace, Mrs Kate?

 - There is a last episode that I will report to you, one that I still find hard to talk about. Last year, in May, we started to move our family to Portimão. My husband was supposed to enjoy a holiday period starting on the day after your daughter's disappearance. "For obvious reasons" that didn't happen. I started on a new job, looked for a house, moved house, and tried to integrate our daughters in new schools and new routines. All of this I did alone, without any help from my husband, who for obvious reasons, was looking for your daughter, Mrs Kate. In October, on his birthday, a week after our daughters started school, Gonçalo Amaral was dismissed and returned to Faro. This was supposed to be the time of the family's reunion and it turned out to be another separation. Isn't this a disgrace? Our daughters never managed to understand, and we never managed to explain to them what obvious reasons were those that rewarded in this manner a father who left his own daughters to go looking for a child that he had never met and whose parents had neglected her. It was a pity that my dear friend Mrs Kate was not around anymore at that date, because you could have been very helpful to me in explaining these "obvious reasons" that led to their father's dismissal, to our daughters.

Finally, I can only report to you that intimately, Gonçalo Amaral is precisely what the latinos are famed for: shameless, as my pudency does not allow me to write any further.

I ask you, my good friend, to forgive these confidences from a wife and mother, but I'm certain that you will understand. I finish this letter asking you to send your mother my most sincere praises. She sounded so sincere to me, when during an interview she referred that she felt like slapping the face of the person who left her grandchildren alone. She spoke so openly that she sounded like a genuine Portuguese grandmother…

My dear friend Mrs Kate, without wishing to bother you any further, I would like to request one last favour from you: now that you have started to tell some truths, please continue, and let the world hear the truth that it has been waiting for.

Best regards,
Sofia Leal
Wife and Mother of the Daughters of Gonçalo Amaral
« Last Edit: November 20, 2016, 04:09:24 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Alfie

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #172 on: November 20, 2016, 04:18:10 PM »
Angelo, why have you highlighted the phrase: " let the world hear the truth that it has been waiting for"?  What truths do you believe Kate has yet to reveal?

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #173 on: November 20, 2016, 04:47:22 PM »
This is a spanking good thread, well worth bringing back.


Open letter to Mrs Kate Healy

 Dear Madam,

You will forgive my boldness, but after I read your comment (in an interview to Expresso newspaper) concerning Gonçalo Amaral, my husband and the father of my daughters, I cannot avoid sending you these words of gratefulness. For many years, I have been trying to make myself heard in this sentiment that unites us both: "…as a professional and as a person his behaviour has been a disgrace." Look at it closely:

a) Professionally

 - As a Coordinator of Criminal Investigation for the Polícia Judiciária, my husband has always refused to sit around from 9 to 5 in the comfortable chair in his office, as his hierarchical status implies. Instead, he spent the day (and very often, the night) with the investigators on the terrain, coordinating searches, surveillances, apprehensions and other diligences 'in loco'. A disgrace!

But if it was only the fact that he was subject to the weather, it wouldn't be serious, as our climate is not too bad, as you know. The problem is that this dedication to the cause has earned him a non promotion in his career. Indeed, I will explain this to you, even because this case happened when the searches for your daughter were under way. My husband applied to the category of Superior Coordinator, and in between drug apprehensions, sequestrations and homicides, he somehow managed to produce a thesis about drug trafficking by sea, which he defended in Lisbon, in front of a Jury that congratulated him. Full of hope, Gonçalo Amaral returns to the Algarve and awaits the result. To his surprise, he was passed over by other colleagues (real coordinators, truth be told), because he had not been able to score points in the "professional formation" parameter. That's right, Mrs Kate, my husband spent his life working, involved in complex investigations, he was the man who apprehended the highest volumes of drugs in Portugal, but given the fact that he had no time to go to Lisbon to parade himself up and down the corridors of the PJ's Institute, he was not promoted. A disgrace, madam, a disgrace!

 - As you probably know, even because you seem like a very well informed person to me, my husband's salary was less than 1.5 times the lowest salary in your country. But as a wife, as a mother and as a Portuguese citizen, I can't complain, because Gonçalo Amaral's salary was equal to 4.5 times the lowest salary in Portugal. But pay attention to the following, which is an example of what I'm going to explain next: At some point, an individual shoots a member of the PSP [urban police] and flees into neighbouring Spain. A PJ team follows him, including my husband. They stayed there for over two weeks. Now at that time, the international expense coverage was around 100 euros. As you can easily imagine, it's not possible to sleep and eat in Spain with this amount of money, much less shortly before Christmas and taking into account that the value will only be paid at around Easter time (if one's lucky). But Gonçalo Amaral never refused, not even for one day, to search for the escaped murderer, relaying the expenses onto our family accounts. And this is just one example among many. At some point in time, I suggested that we should create a fund or something similar to deal with these extraordinary expenses, but he never listened to me. You see, we also have mortgages to pay around here… A disgrace, Mrs Kate, a disgrace!

b) As a person, his behaviour has also been a disgrace, because to begin with we could never distinguish that he even had a personal life, due to the manner in which he dealt with the profession that he embraced. But if my good friend Mrs Kate allows me, I can offer you some examples:

- 5 years ago, a child named Joana "disappeared". Her mother, just like you, Mrs Kate, tried to project the case into the media, but she didn't make it any further than SIC…

Eight days later, came the confessions and the evidence: during an incestuous act between mother and uncle, the child was beaten, then dismembered and her body dumped who knows where. Mother and uncle went to jail, in a process that was coordinated by Gonçalo Amaral and which earned them almost 20 years in jail, each. But let us go a bit back in time. The child died on the 12th of September. On Christmas eve, our family was reunited for prayer, when my husband asked me to prepare a bag with some food and warm clothes, because he had not carried out his Christmas act of penance. Can you, Mrs Kate, imagine where Gonçalo Amaral went on that Christmas night under heavy rain and thunder? He went to the Olhão Prison, where João Cipriano, Joana's uncle, a confessed murderer and a clinically diagnosed psychopath, is detained. According to my husband, to simply offer an alimony to some beggar was not a sacrifice to him. The fact that he embraced and shared his Christmas meal with João Cipriano was the sacrifice that he offered to God, in memory of Joana. Is this not a disgrace? You should also know that every year, on the 12th of September, my husband has a mass celebrated in memory of Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro. He says that nobody will ever remember the poor little girl again. Right, but they remember to unjustly accuse him of actions and crimes that he never committed. Isn't this a disgrace, Mrs Kate?

 - There is a last episode that I will report to you, one that I still find hard to talk about. Last year, in May, we started to move our family to Portimão. My husband was supposed to enjoy a holiday period starting on the day after your daughter's disappearance. "For obvious reasons" that didn't happen. I started on a new job, looked for a house, moved house, and tried to integrate our daughters in new schools and new routines. All of this I did alone, without any help from my husband, who for obvious reasons, was looking for your daughter, Mrs Kate. In October, on his birthday, a week after our daughters started school, Gonçalo Amaral was dismissed and returned to Faro. This was supposed to be the time of the family's reunion and it turned out to be another separation. Isn't this a disgrace? Our daughters never managed to understand, and we never managed to explain to them what obvious reasons were those that rewarded in this manner a father who left his own daughters to go looking for a child that he had never met and whose parents had neglected her. It was a pity that my dear friend Mrs Kate was not around anymore at that date, because you could have been very helpful to me in explaining these "obvious reasons" that led to their father's dismissal, to our daughters.

Finally, I can only report to you that intimately, Gonçalo Amaral is precisely what the latinos are famed for: shameless, as my pudency does not allow me to write any further.

I ask you, my good friend, to forgive these confidences from a wife and mother, but I'm certain that you will understand. I finish this letter asking you to send your mother my most sincere praises. She sounded so sincere to me, when during an interview she referred that she felt like slapping the face of the person who left her grandchildren alone. She spoke so openly that she sounded like a genuine Portuguese grandmother…

My dear friend Mrs Kate, without wishing to bother you any further, I would like to request one last favour from you: now that you have started to tell some truths, please continue, and let the world hear the truth that it has been waiting for.

Best regards,
Sofia Leal
Wife and Mother of the Daughters of Gonçalo Amaral

perhaps she could ask her husband to tell the truth re cipriano falling down the stairs....which we know is a lie

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #174 on: November 20, 2016, 04:54:14 PM »

That letter has always sounded like sour grapes to me.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #175 on: November 20, 2016, 05:07:39 PM »
That letter has always sounded like sour grapes to me.

Not very empathetic?
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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #176 on: November 20, 2016, 05:12:40 PM »
Her attempt to paint her husband as some sort of Christ-like figure, underpaid, overworked, under-appreciated is really all rather cringe-worthy IMO.  And it's all 'Mrs Kate's' fault too, somehow?!
« Last Edit: November 20, 2016, 05:48:21 PM by Alfie »

Alfie

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Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #177 on: November 20, 2016, 05:13:23 PM »
Not very empathetic?
No, her letter is not remotely empathetic you're right.

Offline Lace

Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #178 on: November 20, 2016, 05:18:05 PM »
Eh,  he was a Police detective wasn't he?   don't Police detectives do all that as part of their job?

Offline jassi

Re: Gonçalo Amaral's wife writes to Kate McCann asking her to tell the truth!!
« Reply #179 on: November 20, 2016, 05:31:12 PM »
Eh,  he was a Police detective wasn't he?  don't Police detectives do all that as part of their job?


Do what?  Empathy or brutality ?
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