Is the realease of police files a good thing?

[DCI]

'What about people - suspects, even - who attempted to use powers granted to them under the Hague convention to get police to reveal confidential information from police files to which they had absolutely no entitlement whatsoever? '

Now that is a good question.

Ah yes but they got the files regarding other attacks reported to the police, and contact details, didn't they?

[AnneGuedes]

I certainly agree with that, but I would go further.

I think the whole basis of future bi-lateral cooperation between nations will be put at jeopardy.

I'll bet the British police would think twice, certainly about any joint venture with Portugal again.

The CPS recently solicited the Ministério Publico though...

[AnneGuedes]

I'd like to know why the PT authorities haven't taken action about the files being plastered all over the internet.

Ils ont d'autres chats à fouetter sans doute.

[DCI]

Ils ont d'autres chats à fouetter sans doute.

Would those be sardines, Anne 

[Rachel Granada]

Ils ont d'autres chats à fouetter sans doute.

POURQUOI???! <Why?>

Why do they have bigger fish to fry Anne, this was a serious leak of personal stuff on the internet which has gone unchecked by the PT authorities!

[gilet]

Ils ont d'autres chats à fouetter sans doute.

If I were a Portuguese citizen I would not be impressed by the authorities not being concerned that people were being harassed simply because of something the Portuguese authorities had themselves done, no matter where those being harassed lived.

I would also like to know what you consider is a bigger priority than personal safety.

After all you said, yourself,  yesterday I believe that you do not condone the release of personal information in this way.

Is it normal in Portugal or was this done only in this case?
Are files normally sent out on DVD or only accessible by journalists and others with good reason at the court?

[Rachel Granada]

If I were a Portuguese citizen I would not be impressed by the authorities not being concerned that people were being harassed simply because of something the Portuguese authorities had themselves done, no matter where those being harassed lived.

I would also like to know what you consider is a bigger priority than personal safety.

After all you said, yourself,  yesterday I believe that you do not condone the release of personal information in this way.

Is it normal in Portugal or was this done only in this case?
Are files normally sent out on DVD or only accessible by journalists and others with good reason at the court?

Yes.  Why should people who gave statements in good faith be stalked by Bennett and that cretin from Havern's who believes that the crèche records were forged?

David Payne has had his name dragged through the mud, but have we seen the English original of that particular statement?

[AnneGuedes]

Yes, there are several variations between Scottish and English law, another being that in Scotland, uncorroborated dog alerts are permitted as evidence.

There was work undertaken exclusively by Portuguese police or other Portuguese agents they could have released without objection on the British side: the Almeida Interim report (heaven help us); PJ police interviews; the PJ final report; the report of the Prosecutors and so on.

But in Britain, there are strict procedures and protocols for the release of information into the public domain and the English police wanted reassurance that, as a condition of their willingness to take part in a joint investigation, UK procedures and protocols would be strictly adhered to in release of the the UK side of the investigation into the public domain.

That was just trampled over rough-shod, especially in release of the rogatory interviews to Levy.

How on earth did that ever happen?

The rogs didn't belong to the UK stricto senso. The LC only executed.
This is one of the curious aspects of this case and you'll have noted that the deputy AG didn't allude to the absence of the rogs in the PJ files (nor of the Paynes' written interrogatory that was, though, a request of the PJ).

[gilet]

The rogs didn't belong to the UK stricto senso. The LC only executed.
This is one of the curious aspects of this case and you'll have noted that the deputy AG didn't allude to the absence of the rogs in the PJ files (nor of the Paynes' written interrogatory that was, though, a request of the PJ).

How did the Rogatory Statements come to be released?
Were they on the DVD or was some special arrangement made?
Am I right in thinking Duarte Levy was involved in this as well as in the distribution of the DVD to people who had no legitimate (in PT Law terms) right to it?

I repeat my earlier question though, in case anyone on the Forum knows about Portuguese legal niceties. Is it normal for the "processo a partir" to be released in this way? Or am I right and there has only ever been this one case treated in this way in  Portugal?

[DCI]

How did the Rogatory Statements come to be released?
Were they on the DVD or was some special arrangement made?
Am I right in thinking Duarte Levy was involved in this as well as in the distribution of the DVD to people who had no legitimate (in PT Law terms) right to it?

I repeat my earlier question though, in case anyone on the Forum knows about Portuguese legal niceties. Is it normal for the "processo a partir" to be released in this way? Or am I right and there has only ever been this one case treated in this way in  Portugal?

The rogs, I believe were done in April 2008, so they had 3 months to get them translated into Portuguese, before releasing them.
They are on the DVD's.

[AnneGuedes]

If I were a Portuguese citizen I would not be impressed by the authorities not being concerned that people were being harassed simply because of something the Portuguese authorities had themselves done, no matter where those being harassed lived.

I would also like to know what you consider is a bigger priority than personal safety.

After all you said, yourself,  yesterday I believe that you do not condone the release of personal information in this way.

Is it normal in Portugal or was this done only in this case?
Are files normally sent out on DVD or only accessible by journalists and others with good reason at the court?

Can you please not invent what I said or did not ?
The DVD was a première. The MP previewed many journalists would be interested by them and that was a quick way to react to the situation. Unfortunately very few persons read the files and, as the court heard, even Mr Edgar didn't.
Imo, after so many months of unacceptable UK articles about the PJ, the MP, the Ministery of Justice and the Portuguese, insults to which the authorities never responded (even when the ambassador was called "sardine muncher"), the release was also an attempt to allow those who were interested in the case to be able to judge by themselves what work had been done.

[AnneGuedes]

The rogs, I believe were done in April 2008, so they had 3 months to get them translated into Portuguese, before releasing them.
They are on the DVD's.

Not all.

[gilet]

Can you please not invent what I said or did not ?
The DVD was a première. The MP previewed many journalists would be interested by them and that was a quick way to react to the situation. Unfortunately very few persons read the files and, as the court heard, even Mr Edgar didn't.
Imo, after so many months of unacceptable UK articles about the PJ, the MP, the Ministery of Justice and the Portuguese, insults to which the authorities never responded (even when the ambassador was called "sardine muncher"), the release was also an attempt to allow those who were interested in the case to be able to judge by themselves what work had been done.

Please explain what you claim I invented.

[gilet]

The rogs, I believe were done in April 2008, so they had 3 months to get them translated into Portuguese, before releasing them.
They are on the DVD's.

Thank you.
But I am right in believing that Duarte Levy was instrumental in passing the DVD onto people with no legitimate right to have copies of it, I think.

[Redblossom]

C
 Unfortunately very few persons read the files and, as the court heard, even Mr Edgar didn't.

he said he had read parts of the files! why only parts? but also  had some informat in the PJ? And there was not a shred of evidence the parents were involved, he admitted in that c4 documentary he was only working on n abduction theory, well, hello!? What else  would a PI hired by parents work on LoooL