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Rachel Granada

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Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2013, 09:17:54 PM »
Dr Amaral was responsible for the detectives under his control, he had to sign off on their work.  His involvement as Coordinator on the Joana Cipriano murder case gained him a criminal record since he was the one who approved the detectives false reports. The detectives were answerable to him and he in turn to the Superior Coordinator and thence to the judges.

Dr Amaral had the equivalent rank of a Det Chief Superintendent so claiming he was some sort of glorified officeboy just doesn't cut it.

He was a detective first and foremost, then a Senior Detective and finally a Coordinator of Detectives.  Had it not been for the furore over the Madeleine case he was due to be promoted to Superior Coordinator.

Yet he never even saw fit to meet the parents of a missing child,  not even to reassure them, to try and get to know them.

Offline Montclair

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2013, 09:34:37 PM »
What people here still fail to see is that he was not the lead investigator and he was not responsible for the decisions made in the case.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2013, 09:36:18 PM by Montclair »

Offline LagosBen

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2013, 09:36:00 PM »
What people here still fail to see is that he was not the lead investigator and he was not responsible for the decisions made in the case.

So what was the official explanation for his removal from the case?

Offline Montclair

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2013, 09:38:00 PM »
So what was the official explanation for his removal from the case?

AFAIK, it was because he criticised the British police.

Offline LagosBen

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2013, 09:39:52 PM »
AFAIK, it was because he criticised the British police.

Really?

Offline Luz

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2013, 09:42:40 PM »
What people here still fail to see is that he was not the lead investigator and he was not responsible for the decisions made in the case.

You are wrong there Montclair. He was the coordinator and most of the time he was on the field.The decisions, in fact, were made by the team: portuguese and british, but he supervised all.

Offline Carana

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2013, 09:44:25 PM »
What people here still fail to see is that he was not the lead investigator and he was not responsible for the decisions made in the case.

Again, what are you saying? Was he more than a glorified office boy or not?

Offline Luz

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2013, 09:45:57 PM »
Dr Amaral was responsible for the detectives under his control, he had to sign off on their work.  His involvement as Coordinator on the Joana Cipriano murder case gained him a criminal record since he was the one who approved the detectives false reports. The detectives were answerable to him and he in turn to the Superior Coordinator and thence to the judges.

Dr Amaral had the equivalent rank of a Det Chief Superintendent so claiming he was some sort of glorified officeboy just doesn't cut it.

He was a detective first and foremost, then a Senior Detective and finally a Coordinator of Detectives.  Had it not been for the furore over the Madeleine case he was due to be promoted to Superior Coordinator.



But there were no false reports since there was no aggression inside the PJ premises.How can you responsiblilise anyone for the absence of reports that could not be produced since the events didn't occur?


Yes If it wasn't for poor madeleine's demise he would probably be a national director now.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2013, 09:47:55 PM by Luz »

Offline Carana

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2013, 09:48:21 PM »
But there were no false reports since there was no aggression inside the PJ premises.How can you responsiblilise anyone for the absence of reports that could not be produced since the events didn't occur?

There's a thread on this somewhere on here...

Offline Luz

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #69 on: October 01, 2013, 09:51:00 PM »
There's a thread on this somewhere on here...

Thanks for reminding me, I lost track as I was responding to another post.

Offline Montclair

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2013, 09:53:32 PM »
You are wrong there Montclair. He was the coordinator and most of the time he was on the field.The decisions, in fact, were made by the team: portuguese and british, but he supervised all.

I am aware of the fact that he was on the field in this case and for most of them. What I am saying is that the final decisions are made by the judges of the Ministério Público.

Redblossom

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Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2013, 09:59:23 PM »
getting back to the OP, and hopefully without hearing any banshee screams, for posting a hideho video, this is very revealing video extract from sky news, the full original video of whch has been pulled from youtube so I have only this source, you dont have to watch past the sky nterview

Notice how evident it is by the journalists questions that their not seeing to  being willing to go back did not make them look good, so yes, there was damage to their image




Some more examples of beng averse


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ferryman

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Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2013, 10:36:15 PM »
In the McCann investigation any idea that a reconstruction (or reconstitution, if you prefer) would have resolved anything at all is a red-herring, a fallacy and a myth; while all indicators that led to them being suspected were comprehensively discredited.

icabodcrane

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Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2013, 10:48:04 PM »
I repeat the presumption of innocence and being innocent until proven innocent means that McCanns or anyone else for that matter are not obliged to rule themselves out. The police are obliged to do their job with or without co-operation from suspects or anyone else for that matter.

Well,  yes  ...  but the fact that it is not necesssary  to prove innocence does not usually lead to innocent people making no attempt to do so

Suppose,  for instance,  there had been a hit and run crime local to you,  and witnesses confirmed that the car involved was the same model and colour as yours.   The police come to see you to question your whereabouts at the time the crime occured 

You would tell them wouldn't you  ?

You wouldn't   'have'  to of course  ... you could  tell the police that you are not obliged to prove your innocence and that it is up to them to eliminate you from the enquiry without any cooperation or assistance  from you

But you wouldn't do that  (  no innocent person would  )  because whether or not we are  'obliged'  to prove our innocence,  it is human nature to   wish to do so

Innocent people are not expected to be evasive and uncooperative  ...  that is what is expected of guilty people 

Offline Carana

Re: Was the refusal to partake in a reconstruction to their detriment?
« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2013, 10:48:24 PM »
I am aware of the fact that he was on the field in this case and for most of them. What I am saying is that the final decisions are made by the judges of the Ministério Público.

What do you mean by final decisions? The MP supervises an investigation, but can delegate a number of aspects to the police to deal with, can't it?