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Offline gilet

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #210 on: October 04, 2013, 11:16:04 AM »
Interesting new bits of information here.
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Kate and Gerry McCann to appear on Crimewatch, as Scotland Yard combs Portugal mobile phone traffic
Friday 4 Oct 2013 10:10 am

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann are to make a television appeal on Crimewatch it has been announced, while British police attempt to deconstruct a substantial set of new material.

Scotland Yard is preparing to analyse the mobile phone traffic in the Praia da Luz region of Portugal, which was conducted at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.

Detectives have said that this means anybody who was in the local area in or around May 3 2007 could be contacted by police and questioned about their whereabouts.

Most importantly, police can map the calls that were made at the exact time of the then three-year-old’s believed kidnap.

The fresh evidence comes as Kate and Gerry McCann prepare to appear live in the Crimewatch studio, in a segment which will feature a reconstruction of Madeleine’s disappearance in addition to pre-recorded interviews with the couple.

‘It’s substantially different. It’s not just a bland ‘can you help us’ appeal, there is some different material and a different understanding to be presented,’ assistant commissioner Mark Rowley of the Metropolitan Police, said about the broadcast.

The programme will air on Monday October 14, while similar appeals are expected to be broadcast in Holland, Germany and possibly Ireland in the days following.

The log of telephone numbers that British police will now comb through has previously been held by Portuguese authorities, but had not been as closely scrutinised.

‘[Kate and Gerry’s] forthcoming appearance on Crimewatch is an important stage in [the] ongoing process’, said the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell.

‘Naturally, they hope it will lead to information that will provide the breakthrough to finding Madeleine.’

http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/04/kate-and-gerry-mccann-to-appear-on-crimewatch-as-scotland-yard-combs-portugal-mobile-phone-traffic-4134010/

Offline gilet

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #211 on: October 04, 2013, 11:17:13 AM »
i will continue to say they left the   children alone because they did and   whatever befell   maddie was  due to that neglect and lack of care

So far you have not managed to make any comments that I have noticed about the topic of this thread. Any chance you could comment on what the thread is actually about?

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Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #212 on: October 04, 2013, 11:20:15 AM »
So far you have not managed to make any comments that I have noticed about the topic of this thread. Any chance you could comment on what the thread is actually about?

Can I start holding my breath yet gilet or are you too cowardly to admit you were wrong?

Offline gilet

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #213 on: October 04, 2013, 11:20:28 AM »
You utter hypocrite.  You're persistently trashing the performance and actions of the PJ and the chief coordinator at the time, all of whom know WAAAAAAAY more about the case than you do.
There is nothing at all hypocritical in my posting.

I merely post facts about the ineptitude of the PJ in that case. Facts which even Amaral had to admit such as their lack of expertise in fingerprinting, such as the fact that the initial poor photofit was due to the fact that the PJ could not produce side on photofit images etc.

They may know more than me about the case. That does not make them perfect and beyond criticism when clear failings in their actions have been demonstrated.

Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #214 on: October 04, 2013, 11:22:46 AM »
We know for a fact that the PJ investigation was not stellar but on what basis do you describe the SY investigation as such?

What errors can you suggest in the SY investigation to deserve your clear criticism?

Because they have come up with nothing after spending millions. Literally a couple of 'persons of interest'. When you don't know what happened everyone in the area is a 'person of interest'. So they have identified three new people who happened to be there at the time (perhaps). Hardly stellar IMO

The investigation is at a dead end and going nowhere. Hence the need for tabloid coverage and TV shows. If they had anything of any value they would be investigating it but instead they are getting ready for crimewatch? Hardly stellar IMO.

They advertise to the world what they are doing via the media. IF they had anything of any worth then they would be investigating it - not doing the rounds of breakfast TV et al. Hardly stellar IMO

It has taken them 2 years to look at a bunch of 6 year old phone records. Wtf? What do they really expect to get from that? Oh this phone was in Porto and now it's in Germany but the owner is English - Maddie might be in Germany! Good police work? Hardly my friend the 'evidence' is so old now it is useless. Hardly stellar IMO

Perhaps you could tell me what is so darn GOOD about their investigation? What have they achieved in 2 years? How much further forward is the nation is learning the young girls fate?

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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #215 on: October 04, 2013, 11:27:00 AM »
Because they have come up with nothing after spending millions. Literally a couple of 'persons of interest'. When you don't know what happened everyone in the area is a 'person of interest'. So they have identified three new people who happened to be there at the time (perhaps). Hardly stellar IMO

The investigation is at a dead end and going nowhere. Hence the need for tabloid coverage and TV shows. If they had anything of any value they would be investigating it but instead they are getting ready for crimewatch? Hardly stellar IMO.

They advertise to the world what they are doing via the media. IF they had anything of any worth then they would be investigating it - not doing the rounds of breakfast TV et al. Hardly stellar IMO

It has taken them 2 years to look at a bunch of 6 year old phone records. Wtf? What do they really expect to get from that? Oh this phone was in Porto and now it's in Germany but the owner is English - Maddie might be in Germany! Good police work? Hardly my friend the 'evidence' is so old now it is useless. Hardly stellar IMO

Perhaps you could tell me what is so darn GOOD about their investigation? What have they achieved in 2 years? How much further forward is the nation is learning the young girls fate?

N

the thing is too  IF maddie is alive she  would not know her parents or family  she  would  more then likley  not  speak   english  people who live in this fantasy land  of  her  coming home into kate and gerrys arms like nothing  had ever   happned   is so delsuional   if maddie is found alive it will be  traumatising  for her all over again (     we would love maddie to be found alive but you know what i mean)

Offline gilet

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #216 on: October 04, 2013, 11:27:41 AM »
You've got in one C. Edwards. 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Gilet is firmly entrenched in the Mccann camp, NO DOUBT AT ALL.

You really are failing to read and understand. Seriously, that does not surprise me at all.

I stand for justice and truth, not the McCanns per se.  But as it is the McCanns who are not getting justice and truth then it is hardly surprising that I defend them more than Amaral who is very difficult to defend in any way at all as so much has been proven in both court and in his own book about him.

Offline Carana

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #217 on: October 04, 2013, 11:28:00 AM »
I honestly think you give the " McCann media machine " a bit too much credit - they have appeared in the press pretty much on a consistent basis for the past 6 years - mainly because this is still a big story it is why you and I and others are all still on forums discussing it - I bet the next Express headline will be as much as a surprise to them as us. I would have thought that that SY are leading the agenda now might have a bit to do with the news agenda that whatever the McCann's want to see in the newspapers - anyway as we both agree this will not affect the libel trial  ( I did agree so not sure why you were urging me to talk sense )

The tabloids could turn on the couple in an instance - they don't have to prove they did it - thsy could still write anti headlines if that was their whim regardless of what the PR wants -  they do not have control of the tabloid never had never will

The point about throw away phones is not about who owned the phone it is about calls to it and then calls to that no - complex software can now churn out stats and look at patterns of calls - it is how many anti terrorist work is done. If certain no's crop up or are linked to calls/no's  made from the area it will show - it is pretty painstaking work and why drug dealers have multiple sims and then use them once and throw away - but even then mistakes can be made  -

Interesting post. Thank you.

I thought the PJ had done a good job on that aspect and, judging by the report, it was no easy task.

Still, technology has moved on and more sophisticated software may well shed more light. I'm not even sure that the PJ had the most up-to-date software available at the time to work with.

I still believe that there were many fine officers doing the best they could in what seems to have been less than optimum conditions.


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Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #218 on: October 04, 2013, 11:30:45 AM »
There is nothing at all hypocritical in my posting.

I merely post facts about the ineptitude of the PJ in that case. Facts which even Amaral had to admit such as their lack of expertise in fingerprinting, such as the fact that the initial poor photofit was due to the fact that the PJ could not produce side on photofit images etc.

They may know more than me about the case. That does not make them perfect and beyond criticism when clear failings in their actions have been demonstrated.

So you've never generically referred to the investigation as a whole as being bungled or inept. Or you've never referred to Amaral as being inept or bungling.  You've just referred to "facts" alone? And you are happy to stand by your assertion that SY are doing a good job, even though we don't yet know all the facts?

Offline Montclair

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #219 on: October 04, 2013, 11:35:15 AM »
There is nothing at all hypocritical in my posting.

I merely post facts about the ineptitude of the PJ in that case. Facts which even Amaral had to admit such as their lack of expertise in fingerprinting, such as the fact that the initial poor photofit was due to the fact that the PJ could not produce side on photofit images etc.

They may know more than me about the case. That does not make them perfect and beyond criticism when clear failings in their actions have been demonstrated.

If you can criticise the PJ I certainly have the right to criticise SY. It seems that the Met and other British police forces have their share of scandals lately and are hardly blameless when it comes to miscarriages of justice. BTW, which police force has never made a mistake in an investigation? As for the photofit, the PJ did not want to release it the but the McCanns and the British authorities put pressure on them to do it.

Offline Carana

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #220 on: October 04, 2013, 11:36:00 AM »
An old article I'd saved to back up my early point. I don't have a direct link I'm afraid.

20 May 2009
PJ Laboratory receives 24 thousand requests per year



by Joana de Belém

The PJ’s Scientific Police Laboratory (SPL) receives one hundred and fifty requests for tests per day, which sum up to two thousand every month. Last year, the SPL received 24 thousand requests. The waiting time “is high”, admits the director of the Scientific Police National Laboratory, where approximately two hundred people work. An “activity that faces the difficulty of the lack of resources and the response within useful time”, says Carlos Farinha.

Nevertheless, the same senior official, who spoke yesterday during the 4th National Congress for Criminology, in Oporto, noted that the Portuguese lab was rated, in an international study whose results were known last week, the sixth best among a total of 71 bodies.

Carlos Farinha also mentioned that the increase in television series like CSI creates some equivocations. “We’re not as good looking as they are, but the main difference is the time notion”, not only as far as test results are concerned but also concerning the data that investigators have access to. “Nobody accesses that much information at the simple touch of a button. Apart from that, if any policeman could access information in that manner, we’d have a big brother, a society without balance between justice and freedom”, the investigator stressed.

Today, at the Polícia Judiciária’s School, in Lisbon, a crime scene practises manual is launched, establishing rules on how to enter, how to mark the investigators’ passage, how to photograph and/or draw a crime scene, among other procedures. “The potentialities in the collection of a certain type of residues are incommensurably different today from what they were years ago”, said Carlos Farinha, according to whom “nowadays the level of collection of elements on location is scarily superior”. Hence, he adds, the need to “reorganise and think about the manner to proceed on a crime scene”.

When questioned about a possible connection between the launch of this manual and the allegedly careless manner how policemen entered, two years ago, into the room of Madeleine McCann – the little English girl that disappeared in the Algarve, in 2007 -, Farrinha asserts that “it’s a reducing perspective”. “I’m not associating this to anything at all”, he concluded.

Presently, the laboratory develops efforts to improve the photofits of missing persons, namely their adjustment to physiognomic changes that take place.

Still during the congress, inspector Jorge Duarte explained the change in the profile of the computer criminal. The first protagonists, in the 90s [the so-called hackers] “weren’t seen as criminals but rather as geniuses, were between 14 and 24 years old, students, generally middle class”. The “social profile has changed, the age has stretched to 34, it includes medium level professionals and re-offenders”, the member of the PJ’s High Technology Criminal Investigation unit explained, adding that, due to the easiness in escaping justice, the number of re-offenders tends to increase over time.

Maria Carneiro, a service chief at the Forensics Medicine Institute, mentioned the few cases of homicidal women. “Women are not as criminal in violent terms as men and the cases where they kill for pleasure are extremely rare”. When that happens, “those are cases of serious psychopathology and generally not imputable”, she concludes.


source: Diário de Notícias, 20.05.2009

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Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #221 on: October 04, 2013, 11:50:44 AM »
There's been numerous headlines like this over the years that fizzled out to nothing so it's difficult to believe anything the mainstream media say now.

The exception being the bit about Crimewatch. I don't understand how things work so I hope I'm forgiven if I sound silly. I thought Crimewatch aired unsolved cases to bring hardly known cases to the forefront because the police have run out of leads or ideas and need the help of the public? Yet according to the mainstream Scotland Yard still have leads? The McCann's have had a lot of coverage over the years that I can't see there being anyone left who doesn't know what Madeleine looks like or what the McCann's say happened so I wonder what can be offered that hasn't already been covered.

If they get Jeremy Wilkins involved then maybe the puzzle of who was standing where will be solved at least.  Also Jeremy Wilkins said he saw a woman in purple outside an apartment when he first took his son out in the buggy (note to DCI … I haven't stated any times lol). In a later statement he identifies the woman in purple as being Jane Tanner. He also says he saw a man in combat clothing with his blonde raster style hair tied back. As far as I'm aware those two items haven't been explored so Jeremy Wilkins involvement is important. Or has the man with his hair tied back been identified now?

Jacinta,
Jeremy Wilkins stated both of the above, in one statement, his rogatory. I've left the times on, as Jez mentions the media announcing the time, he met Gerry, when he was unsure.

Q. Relative to the time I met Gerry McCann on the Thursday night of May 3, 2007;

As stated in my original deposition, I believe that I left the apartment around 20h30. I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15. I am aware of the importance of this hour and am also aware that the media announced our meeting time as 21h05. Even if this were correct, I have no idea from where such information originated. It is not possible to give you a more exact time.

Q. Relative to the exact location you met Gerry'

I left my apartment pushing my son's pram so that he could sleep. I did not have a particular direction to follow nor did I have a specific time to do this. I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner. At the next crossing, I turned right and continued on down the hill. At this point, I saw a man that was coming from the road and was headed to the reception. I believe that he was with a woman but I cannot be precise of any detail about her. It was a tall Caucasian man, with blonde hair in 'rasta style' tied with a band instead of free flowing. When I arrived, I headed to the WC near the pool area. He also was in the WC but appeared to be a taking a long time. I do not remember if he was still in that place when I left. I did not see a woman in that zone. I had never before seen this man and did not see him after this.

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;

Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

He wasn't the only one that saw Rastas man! Supposedly identified. There is no proper statement from the Sperry's.

MICHAEL SPERREY
CLARE SPERREY

------ In the main reception (open 24h) of the Ocean Club, the signatory [undersigned] was able to observe a person with long hair, curly, blonde in colour, with camouflage shorts and green sweat-shirt, which fit the description of the suspect of the "Rastas", it being that I questioned the receptionist about him, who said that this individual and his wife are guests in the hotel and he has been tireless, since yesterday, in search of the missing girl. Attached are photocopies of their passports as well as the hotel registration form.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm#sperrey
Kate's 500 Mile Cycle Challenge

https://www.justgiving.com/KateMcCann/

Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #222 on: October 04, 2013, 11:51:35 AM »
An old article I'd saved to back up my early point. I don't have a direct link I'm afraid.

20 May 2009
PJ Laboratory receives 24 thousand requests per year



by Joana de Belém

Nevertheless, the same senior official, who spoke yesterday during the 4th National Congress for Criminology, in Oporto, noted that the Portuguese lab was rated, in an international study whose results were known last week, the sixth best among a total of 71 bodies.

source: Diário de Notícias, 20.05.2009


wow, 6 out of 71 is good. I would expect to see the US and UK in there and probably the Germans, Australians etc so they are doing well.

Makes you wonder what 71 is like though - a kids chemistry set and a magnifying glass  8)--))

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Offline Montclair

Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #223 on: October 04, 2013, 11:57:11 AM »
Also, why would SY just limit themselves to the abduction theory? Any decent police force would look at all options, even the parents. Leicestershire police stated to the court during the hearing when the McCanns tried to get hold of their files: Although one or both of the parents may be innocent, no evidence has been found which eliminates them from the investigation.

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Re: Scotland Yard's new progress and BBC Crimewatch programme on 14 Oct 2013
« Reply #224 on: October 04, 2013, 11:57:29 AM »
Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Madeleine #McCann parents have filmed pre-recorded segments for Crimewatch and will be live in studio

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 3h
Portuguese police has appointed team of 6 senior detectives based in Faro to assist Met 37-strong squad with Madeleine #McCann investigation