Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?

[mercury]

It was not a closed hotel/ resort with security, mw told them th ey didnt have a listening service and presumably reasons why, the flat was open to a main road, it was also left unlocked and back doors open, you couldnt make it up so stop making apologies for them leaving their three babies alone, its too sad for words

[Brietta]

Oh blimey, I'm not supposed to join in with this, apparently. But I have to say, top post. When I was little, I'd go out for the whole day, playing on an old ammo dump, and only go home when it was dark, or if one of my pals had a watch and we knew it was tea time. When my kids were growing up, they went out on their bikes or ponies, and I didn't worry. My youngest was so fed up with not having enough pocket-money, she got on her bike with a bucket and sponge (she was 10) and went round the village washing cars.

Now, when my grandchildren are playing in the garden, surrounded by 8 annoying dogs who bark even if a leaf falls off a tree, I watch them all of the time, on high alert. All because of what happened to Madeleine McCann. If a child can be taken from her bed, then surely a child can be taken from anywhere. I blame the McCanns for this. Innocence and freedom has been lost, because the McCanns chose to leave their small children. And, sad old cliche as it is, they wouldn't have left a wallet full of money on the bed. But they left their babies. And this is why people like me are so pissed off.

Why aren't you "pissed off" with the abductor?

[mercury]

Why aren't you "pissed off" with the abductor?

Perhaps because its not any kind of fact he/she exists? Sigh

I mean how can anyne be pissed off with a phantom?

[misty]

It worries me how people think the group behaved responsibly. It worries me how many people seem to have a very relaxed attitude towards the duty of care owed to little ones. Why don't you ask the NSPCC to explain the difference to you? Educate yourself, please!

Why do we have to ask the NSPCC what is responsible parenting? Do all prospective parents have to take a test? Are all mothers given an instruction booklet from the NSPCC when they have a baby?
To refer to a "duty of care" makes it appear you accept the right of the State to dictate your lifestyle & define your role as a parent. It's not quite that black & white when the State does not accept its own role in determining the safety of a child.

I know what is sensible parenting. So do you. Some may call us paranoid parents. Others don't see danger when none is visible. What is right & wrong - the McCanns weren't unique & parents continue to do what they did.

[pegasus]

...as in...

Well done Slarti these excellent nannies at the evening creche truly did listen - they were in the same room listening.

[G-Unit]

Perhaps because its not any kind of fact he/she exists? Sigh

I mean how can anyne be pissed off with a phantom?

For years it was Tannerman. Everyone who supported the McCanns pointed at him and said 'Look! That's him! The vile predator who took an innocent child from her bed!'  Then he was revealed as an innocent father taking his own child home from the creche. Now the wild geese are chasing 'Smithman'. At least he has a face, so for all we know people have identified him in other locations in the town. Op Grange may be on his heels as we speak, busily gathering evidence. Or they may have gone in another direction completely. When they find an abductor, or even provide proof that there was an abductor, then we can all castigate him. Until then it's wait and see if anyone ever finds out for definite what happened.

[mercury]

For years it was Tannerman. Everyone who supported the McCanns pointed at him and said 'Look! That's him! The vile predator who took an innocent child from her bed!'  Then he was revealed as an innocent father taking his own child home from the creche. Now the wild geese are chasing 'Smithman'. At least he has a face, so for all we know people have identified him in other locations in the town. Op Grange may be on his heels as we speak, busily gathering evidence. Or they may have gone in another direction completely. When they find an abductor, or even provide proof that there was an abductor, then we can all castigate him. Until then it's wait and see if anyone ever finds out for definite what happened.

Exactly but some insist there WAS one when they have NO CLUE...bit presumptious at the least just sime kind if fervo religious belief which after being nauseous counts for  errrr ZERO

[puglove]

Why aren't you "pissed off" with the abductor?

This is the third time I've replied to this. I give up.

[G-Unit]

Why do we have to ask the NSPCC what is responsible parenting? Do all prospective parents have to take a test? Are all mothers given an instruction booklet from the NSPCC when they have a baby?
To refer to a "duty of care" makes it appear you accept the right of the State to dictate your lifestyle & define your role as a parent. It's not quite that black & white when the State does not accept its own role in determining the safety of a child.

I know what is sensible parenting. So do you. Some may call us paranoid parents. Others don't see danger when none is visible. What is right & wrong - the McCanns weren't unique & parents continue to do what they did.

It's very sad that the NSPCC have to advise people never to leave under 5's home alone, it seems so obvious to most people. The days when a child belonged to the parent are gone, just as the days when a wife belonged to her husband have gone. Children have the right to be looked after and parents have a duty to provide that care, nothing to do with the State.

Are you able to provide just one example of parents leaving three under fives home alone for five nights in unlocked accomodation? If not, then the McCanns are unique.

[pegasus]

From what I have read they had heard of the listening service and decided to do their own

Yes that's correct.
Now let's imagine that there was an MW room listening service in PDL that night.
And that the T9 were not guests but were the nannies working on the room listening service.
Do you think the quality of their nine-nanny room listening service for guests would be worse than, same as, or better than the room listening service in MW resorts in Greece etc at that time?

[misty]

Yes that's correct.
Now let's imagine that there was an MW room listening service in PDL that night.
And that the T9 were not guests but were the nannies working on the room listening service.
Do you think the quality of their nine-nanny room listening service would be worse than, same as, or better than the room listening service in MW resorts in Greece etc at that time?

You are not comparing like-for-like therefore judgement cannot be made.

[puglove]

This is the third time I've replied to this. I give up.

Is there any point in me having my say, or will my (non abusive, reasonable point) be whooshed before it's read? Again?

[pegasus]

You are not comparing like-for-like therefore judgement cannot be made.

I am comparing like with like.
That's why I gave them jobs as nine nannies employed to provide a PDL MW apartment listening service.

[mercury]

Is there any point in me having my say, or will my (non abusive, reasonable point) be whooshed before it's read? Again?

Ask john or admin to find out, people just deleting posts with no comment is a bit out  of order and maybe the forum should  rethink this measure...if peoples posts are deleted at leat a note ahould be left?

[misty]

I am comparing like with like.
That's why I gave them jobs as nine nannies employed to provide a PDL MW apartment listening service.

Do the real nannies have keys to all the apartments?