Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?

[mercury]

So, hypothetically, a child could have had an accident & died inside the apartment, but because there was no noise the checker would have no reason to enter a room. Death would only be discovered upon the parents' return.
Equally, anyone with access to the keys & knowing a child was alone could enter a room & inflict harm.
I'm not sure that is a safe alternative to a parent entering their own apartment to check on their child.
But this case is unique and normal rules don't apply.

Which is exactly what the mccans their friends did..take the risk
And no its not unique. If you safeguard your kids you just dont leave them all alone."end off pegasus as your posts are abusive now to all normal parents...

[misty]

Which is exactly what the mccans their friends did..take the risk
And no its not unique. If you safeguard your kids you just dont leave them all alone."end off pegasus as your posts are abusive now to all normal parents...

Which is why I posed the question - is just physically being in the same house as your child more important than physically checking on your child on a regular basis.

[Brietta]

Welll, yes, you've got a point there.

Can anyone argue that the McCanns were lazy and selfish, and they resented sharing "me time" with their kids? If they wanted a good old bucket and spade holiday with the babies, they could have gone with that. But they didn't. They wanted to jog, and play tennis, and dump the smallies in a "kid's club". Day after day. And when they wanted to eat, drink, and chat their crap, they left the kids in a flat. Dark, and strange, and scary.

Seriously, I wouldn't leave a dog, the way the McCanns left their babies. Delete this if you want to, but it's still true.

The difficulty you have with that one is that the type of family holiday you describe is one which seems to be the holiday of choice for many thousands of people.
It is a model which is enjoyed by children and parents alike.

Your unfair criticism of the McCann family is therefore applicable to every parent and every family taking a holiday of this type. 

[mercury]

Welll, yes, you've got a point there.

Can anyone argue that the McCanns were lazy and selfish, and they resented sharing "me time" with their kids? If they wanted a good old bucket and spade holiday with the babies, they could have gone with that. But they didn't. They wanted to jog, and play tennis, and dump the smallies in a "kid's club". Day after day. And when they wanted to eat, drink, and chat their crap, they left the kids in a flat. Dark, and strange, and scary.

Seriously, I wouldn't leave a dog, the way the McCanns left their babies. Delete this if you want to, but it's still true.

They should have left them at home with a sitter seeing as they  couldnt  get rid if them fast enough whilst on hols

[pegasus]

Which is exactly what the mccans their friends did..take the risk
And no its not unique. If you safeguard your kids you just dont leave them all alone."end off pegasus as your posts are abusive now to all normal parents...

IMO the PR allegations that the group did a better room listening service than the MW room listening services at other resorts are unjustly abusive to MW's very high standards Mercury.

[mercury]

The difficulty you have with that one is that the type of family holiday you describe is one which seems to be the holiday of choice for many thousands of people.
It is a model which is enjoyed by children and parents alike.

Your unfair criticism of the McCann family is therefore applicable to every parent and every family taking a holiday of this type. H

Dont be so ridiculous

if youre NOT ridiculous then prove it by providing any cites where any parents left their toddlers alone in unlocked flats in main roads......out of sight and sound....fact is brietta those kids coukd have been burnt to death or been molested or swallowed bleach or electrocuted themselves and the mccanns could have been supping their wine and know no different so its about time you stopped apologising for them dont you think???

[misty]

Dont be so ridiculous

if youre NOT ridicuous then prove it by providing any cites where any parents left their toddlers alone in unlocked flats in main roads......out of sight and sound....fact is brietta those kids coukd have been burnt to death or been molested or swallowed bleach ir eledtrocuted themselves and the mccanns could have been supping their wine and know no different so its about time you stopped apologising for them dont you think???

Unless you can categorically prove that Madeleine's disappearance was solely as a result of being left alone by her parents, and absolutely nothing else, then I think you should stop attacking her parents.

[puglove]

The difficulty you have with that one is that the type of family holiday you describe is one which seems to be the holiday of choice for many thousands of people.
It is a model which is enjoyed by children and parents alike.

Your unfair criticism of the McCann family is therefore applicable to every parent and every family taking a holiday of this type.

Do you think so? Do you know anyone who would dump their babies so that they could show off? Do you know anyone who would take their eye off the ball and leave tinies in a dark, scary flat with road frontage, and hope some dodgy bloke who they hardly know from Adam might check on them? Are you insane?

[mercury]

Do you think so? Do you know anyone who would dump their babies so that they could show off? Do you know anyone who would take their eye off the ball and leave tinies in a dark, scary flat with road frontage, and hope some dodgy bloke who they hardly know from Adam might check on them? Are you insane?

 *&*%£

someone needs to ask her that  for sure!!

[Brietta]

Do you think so? Do you know anyone who would dump their babies so that they could show off? Do you know anyone who would take their eye off the ball and leave tinies in a dark, scary flat with road frontage, and hope some dodgy bloke who they hardly know from Adam might check on them? Are you insane?

I am never sure what to think about those whose hatred of people they don't know and who in all likelihood they will never know has kept them going for over eight years.

Perhaps you should be directing your question closer to home.

[misty]

Back on topic, the parent-child walking distance was 90 metres.

Do you think MW listeners would have been within a 90m walking distance of the relevant apartments at all times, had the service been operative in PdL?

[mercury]

Do you think MW listeners would have been within a 90m walking distance of the relevant apartments at all times, had the service been operative in PdL?

hundreds more

The POINT is would YOU leave your  walking toddlers alone...answer is NO...never.....not a fat chance...
..

Leaving now so fill yer boots >>>>

[puglove]

I am never sure what to think about those whose hatred of people they don't know and who in all likelihood they will never know has kept them going for over eight years.

Perhaps you should be directing your question closer to home.

I don't do hate. I just feel desperately sad for a little girl who wasn't loved enough.

[pegasus]

Do you think MW listeners would have been within a 90m walking distance of the relevant apartments at all times, had the service been operative in PdL?

Less than 90 metres IMO Misty, as this person posted in 2007:
"other MW hotels have nannies on each floor and every 15 minutes they check for them crying"

[Brietta]

I don't do hate. I just feel desperately sad for a little girl who wasn't loved enough.

I don't know if you "don't do hate" and I care even less.

According to you "the McCanns were lazy and selfish".

Again according to you "they resented sharing "me time" with their kids".

You appear to hold a certain resentment that they jogged and played tennis. 

One of the benefits of the holiday for the children was to be "dumped in a "kid's club". Day after day."  As no doubt could be confirmed by all the other parents holidaying in Luz at the same time and the parents before and after that.

It seems to be a provision that Mark Warner holidays are particularly good at.

You cannot criticise the McCanns without directing the same criticism at all those other parents ... but it seems you have no problem with that.

They had already done the "good old bucket and spade holiday".

They were a minute away from the children.  They were using a system mirroring the baby listening service provided by Mark Warner in other resorts.

Criticise them if you must, I'm sure it is no skin off their backs.

But when you are about it ... please do not forget the addendum of criticism for the person or persons responsible for taking Madeleine McCann from the bosom of her loving family.