Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?

[pegasus]

And this review of  Paleros   
 "the baby listening started at 8pm. The staff walk around the rooms every 15 mins and listen at the door, if your child is making a noise they stay at the door and radio through to the control Nanny - who sends someone to find you."

[slartibartfast]

Child friendly holidays

Childcare is included in the holiday price for those children 2 to 17 years and for little ones from 4 months to 23 months it will be chargeable. We offer a free evening listening service for children from 4 months to 5 years and for the older children we run free, fully supervised evening entertainment. This evening childcare takes place from 7.30pm to 11pm. Please check childcare availability for your selected dates and hotel online or with our sales team.
http://www.markwarner.co.uk/family-holidays/summer

 
Elsewhere in the thread I have posted comment from parents who have used the listening service provided ... the above is taken from Mark Warner's current brochure.

The devil is in he detail as I demonstrated earlier.

[Mr Gray]

And this review of  Paleros   
 "the baby listening started at 8pm. The staff walk around the rooms every 15 mins and listen at the door, if your child is making a noise they stay at the door and radio through to the control Nanny - who sends someone to find you."

baby listening at it's best

[Alfred R Jones]

Welll, yes, you've got a point there.

Can anyone argue that the McCanns were lazy and selfish, and they resented sharing "me time" with their kids? If they wanted a good old bucket and spade holiday with the babies, they could have gone with that. But they didn't. They wanted to jog, and play tennis, and dump the smallies in a "kid's club". Day after day. And when they wanted to eat, drink, and chat their crap, they left the kids in a flat. Dark, and strange, and scary.

Seriously, I wouldn't leave a dog, the way the McCanns left their babies. Delete this if you want to, but it's still true.

seriously?  You don't leave your dog unattended?  Wow!  What happens if you want to go shopping or to the cinema or need to visit the doctor?  Do you take it to kennels or hire a dogsitter or does it come with you?

[puglove]

seriously?  You don't leave your dog unattended?  Wow!  What happens if you want to go shopping or to the cinema or need to visit the doctor?  Do you take it to kennels or hire a dogsitter or does it come with you?

Sigh.

I wouldn't leave my dogs in a place where they could.....

Be stolen.

Get out and run away.

Damage themselves.

Choke on something.

If that makes me a neurotic, "helicopter" dog owner, then so be it. I'd rather be that, than spend the rest of my life being tortured by thoughts of where my dogs might be, and what might be being done to them.

[John]

Please stay on topic. 

Off topic posts have been relaunched as "Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?"

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6736.msg283333#msg283333

[Alfred R Jones]

Sigh.

I wouldn't leave my dogs in a place where they could.....

Be stolen.

Get out and run away.

Damage themselves.

Choke on something.

If that makes me a neurotic, "helicopter" dog owner, then so be it. I'd rather be that, than spend the rest of my life being tortured by thoughts of where my dogs might be, and what might be being done to them.

So where is this completely safe place you would leave them then?  A rubber room with no doors or windows?

[John]

Sigh.

I wouldn't leave my dogs in a place where they could.....

Be stolen.

Get out and run away.

Damage themselves.

Choke on something.

If that makes me a neurotic, "helicopter" dog owner, then so be it. I'd rather be that, than spend the rest of my life being tortured by thoughts of where my dogs might be, and what might be being done to them.

I'm afraid I'm also of the old school where the children come first but other people have other views which are to be respected.  I have recalled my own experience of losing a son for about twenty minutes even after practicing what I considered to be good parenting skills.

Things happen, taking ones eye off the ball for seconds can result in a tragedy.  How many young children from Portugal to Madeira to Kos to Australia were there happily playing outside one minute but gone, disappeared into thin air the next?  I know from my own experience on a beach at Palma, Majorca, that these things happen.  The best we can hope for is to mitigate the risk by just trying to be good parents.

50 metres might be too far but then it might not be.  The McCanns admit that they were lulled into a false sense of security by the tranquility at the resort, an ideal hunting ground for any predator.

[Alice Purjorick]

I'm afraid I'm also of the old school where the children come first but other people have other views which are to be respected.  I have recalled my own experience of losing a son for about twenty minutes even after practicing what I considered to be good parenting skills.

Things happen, taking ones eye off the ball for seconds can result in a tragedy.  How many young children from Portugal to Madeira to Kos to Australia were there happily playing outside one minute but gone, disappeared into thin air the next?  I know from my own experience on a beach at Palma, Majorca, that these things happen.  The best we can hope for is to mitigate the risk by just trying to be good parents.

50 metres might be too far but then it might not be.  The McCanns admit that they were lulled into a false sense of security by the tranquility at the resort, an ideal hunting ground for any predator.

To quote dear old Bill Wagstaff, bard extraordinaire: "and thereby hangs a tale"

[Alice Purjorick]

Which is why I posed the question - is just physically being in the same house as your child more important than physically checking on your child on a regular basis.

Pick the one which will best deliver the desired objective.

[misty]

Pick the one which will best deliver the desired objective.

Parents being on the premises did not appear to have prevented any of the previously reported abuse of children in Portuguese holiday homes.
The grand consensus of opinion seems to be that it's OK to leave a child if you use a resort's own listening service when you go & dine 10 minutes walking distance away, but not OK to leave a child & adopt your own equally efficient checking service, complete with key, from within one minute's walking distance.
Is it the law which is crazy or the people?

[Alice Purjorick]

Parents being on the premises did not appear to have prevented any of the previously reported abuse of children in Portuguese holiday homes.
The grand consensus of opinion seems to be that it's OK to leave a child if you use a resort's own listening service when you go & dine 10 minutes walking distance away, but not OK to leave a child & adopt your own equally efficient checking service, complete with key, from within one minute's walking distance.
Is it the law which is crazy or the people?

I am not worried about the law or what other people do or the efficacy of baby listening services.
Here is the problem. "maintain the safety of your child(ren) for a period of three hours in a foreign country where your apartment is not in a secure building or compound and may be accessed from public highways on two sides".
You may also wish to have a meal within the specified time frame.
Sort out a solution that you will be content with. That will include what price you are prepared to pay should your decision go belly up.

[G-Unit]

Parents being on the premises did not appear to have prevented any of the previously reported abuse of children in Portuguese holiday homes.
The grand consensus of opinion seems to be that it's OK to leave a child if you use a resort's own listening service when you go & dine 10 minutes walking distance away, but not OK to leave a child & adopt your own equally efficient checking service, complete with key, from within one minute's walking distance.
Is it the law which is crazy or the people?

If a parent behaves sensibly they cannot be blamed if things go wrong. If a parent behaves recklessly then they have to accept blame if things go wrong. What key? Do you know sonmething we don't?

[Mr Gray]

If a parent behaves sensibly they cannot be blamed if things go wrong. If a parent behaves recklessly then they have to accept blame if things go wrong. What key? Do you know sonmething we don't?

so it depends on your opinion that the mccanns behaved recklessly...I don't think they did...

[pegasus]

baby listening at it's best

oh and I forgot to mention the RBTs Davel