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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #495 on: October 29, 2015, 09:46:02 PM »
So no one ever sees anything odd and then dismisses it as imagination?  I have come across this often in the holiday properties that I manage.  Thinking that someone had been there without my knowledge.  To such an extent that I now leave certain things in positions known only to me.

This was only 30 minutes after they left when Gerry said the door had moved. In their statements they say Madeleine never woke up until the early morning hours. So who did Gerry think had moved the door? He said Madeleine was asleep in the same position when she was put to bed. His behaviour is extremely strange and what's even more strange is he doesn't mention that door move in his first statement. This is his first statement:

In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine, as was Madeleine. "He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left, and bumped into a person he had played tennis with and who had a child's push chair, he was also British, he had a short conversation with him, "returning after that to the restaurant." (GM 4 May)

No door move!

At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building. He entered the bedroom, he observed the twins and he did not even notice whether Madeleine was there"
as everything was calm, the shutters were closed and the door to the bedroom was ajar as usual. (GM 4 May)

The door was ajar as usual and Matt said it wasn't. Oh dear what a total cock up!

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #496 on: October 29, 2015, 09:56:00 PM »
This was only 30 minutes after they left when Gerry said the door had moved. In their statements they say Madeleine never woke up until the early morning hours. So who did Gerry think had moved the door? He said Madeleine was asleep in the same position when she was put to bed. His behaviour is extremely strange and what's even more strange is he doesn't mention that door move in his first statement. This is his first statement:

In this way, at about 21.05 the witness came to the Club, entered the room using his respective key, the door being locked, went to his children's bedroom and checked that the twins were fine, as was Madeleine. "He then went to the WC" where he remained for a few moments, left, and bumped into a person he had played tennis with and who had a child's push chair, he was also British, he had a short conversation with him, "returning after that to the restaurant." (GM 4 May)

No door move!

At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building. He entered the bedroom, he observed the twins and he did not even notice whether Madeleine was there"
as everything was calm, the shutters were closed and the door to the bedroom was ajar as usual. (GM 4 May)

The door was ajar as usual and Matt said it wasn't. Oh dear what a total cock up!

Indeed!  the devil is in the detail.  When you break these stories down with to little peices it makes for scary reading. The algorithms always works to conclusion!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline pegasus

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #497 on: October 30, 2015, 01:52:50 AM »
GM 4 May statement ...
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At about 21.30 his friend Matt (member of the group) went to the apartment, where his children were and on his way went to the witness' apartment, entering by means of a glass sliding door that was always unlocked and was located laterally to the building. He entered the bedroom, he observed the twins and he did not even notice whether Madeleine was there as everything was calm, the shutters were closed and the door to the bedroom was ajar as usual. After that Matt returned to the restaurant."
I suggest that GM simply didn't know at this stage the exact door angle and exact light level that MO had seen.
GM and MO statements were simultaneous in two different rooms on 4th May.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #498 on: October 30, 2015, 01:41:59 PM »
GM 4 May statement ...I suggest that GM simply didn't know at this stage the exact door angle and exact light level that MO had seen.
GM and MO statements were simultaneous in two different rooms on 4th May.

The point is the door was ajar according to Gerry in his first statement not open.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #499 on: October 30, 2015, 03:43:55 PM »
A lot of people have said that baby listening services in hotels are popular and well-used. They may like to read the comments on here;

http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/children-parenting-190/general-parenting-192/606564-leaving-sleeping-baby-alone-hotel-room-while-drinking-downstairs-all.html
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #500 on: October 30, 2015, 04:24:58 PM »
A lot of people have said that baby listening services in hotels are popular and well-used. They may like to read the comments on here;

http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/children-parenting-190/general-parenting-192/606564-leaving-sleeping-baby-alone-hotel-room-while-drinking-downstairs-all.html
I haven't heard one poster on here say they are popular or well used

Offline Brietta

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #501 on: October 30, 2015, 04:46:29 PM »
I haven't heard one poster on here say they are popular or well used

Not one has ... it has merely been stated that holiday companies, not just Mark Warner continue to advertise baby listening services.

Which rather suggests there are parents who use them.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #502 on: October 30, 2015, 04:50:25 PM »
Not one has ... it has merely been stated that holiday companies, not just Mark Warner continue to advertise baby listening services.

Which rather suggests there are parents who use them.

They are however of no relevance in this particular thread.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #503 on: October 30, 2015, 04:53:44 PM »
They are however of no relevance in this particular thread.

yes they are

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #504 on: October 30, 2015, 04:55:35 PM »
A lot of people have said that baby listening services in hotels are popular and well-used. They may like to read the comments on here;

http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/children-parenting-190/general-parenting-192/606564-leaving-sleeping-baby-alone-hotel-room-while-drinking-downstairs-all.html

that statement is blatantly untrue...if the mccanns say something that is untrue you imply they are liars and question their whole credibility...point made

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #505 on: October 30, 2015, 05:07:11 PM »
yes they are
Please be kind enough to explain in your opinion how this can be so then.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #506 on: October 30, 2015, 05:18:32 PM »
Not one has ... it has merely been stated that holiday companies, not just Mark Warner continue to advertise baby listening services.

Which rather suggests there are parents who use them.

You mean the crèche?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #507 on: October 30, 2015, 05:36:18 PM »
You mean the crèche?

No I do not mean the crèche.
If you care to follow the links I have posted you will see I refer to the baby listening service provided by Mark Warner holidays.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #508 on: October 30, 2015, 06:49:43 PM »
No I do not mean the crèche.
If you care to follow the links I have posted you will see I refer to the baby listening service provided by Mark Warner holidays.

The one scrapped ages ago? Where staff listened at the door of a room or apartment with a child or children behind it?
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Offline mercury

Re: Was 50 metres from the apartment 50 metres too far?
« Reply #509 on: October 30, 2015, 07:29:39 PM »
The MW promotion IMO is for the evening creche, as Mw announced a few years ago they had totally scrapped the "listening services" at all their resorts

Unless someone has concrete evidence to the contrary