SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?

[Cariad]

I think they have found someone in the files who has vaguely alluded to picking their child up at a vaguely similar time in a vaguely similar part of the resort and creatively put them altogether in a neat little package, yes. I don't doubt that "a guest" exists. I do doubt that their story anything like matched what crimewatch just spewed out!

I don't want to agree with this cause I don't want to believe that the world works like that.

I can't come up with another sensible explanation though. Either I have to believe that the facts are being twisted by sy and the Beeb, or some guy wandered around with his child across his arms in a really uncomfortable position in the wrong direction at just the right time, then waited for 6 years before mentioning it.

 

[C.Edwards]

I don't want to agree with this cause I don't want to believe that the world works like that.

I can't come up with another sensible explanation though. Either I have to believe that the facts are being twisted by sy and the Beeb, or some guy wandered around with his child across his arms in a really uncomfortable position in the wrong direction at just the right time, then waited for 6 years before mentioning it.

Which would, of course, be a McCoincidence with large fries and a side order of cheese and no mistake!

[AnneGuedes]

I think they have found someone in the files who has vaguely alluded to picking their child up at a vaguely similar time in a vaguely similar part of the resort and creatively put them altogether in a neat little package, yes. I don't doubt that "a guest" exists. I do doubt that their story anything like matched what crimewatch just spewed out!

Possibly, they have found one British father who picked up his child (sex irrelevant) after 9 at the night creche (the night creche register isn't in the files, but they asked MW and the list of all the guests is in the files, not very long..) and he said he doesn't remember, but may be, etc. no map (like in the rogs) etc. and that was it. They badly needed it because they had no explanation for the 45' walking around PDL.
Anyhow Ms Tanner passing transparently less than 1m  far from Mr W and Mr McCann goes on unexplained.
And Mr McCann is now without any alibi.

[carlymichelle]

Possibly, they have found one British father who picked up his child (sex irrelevant) after 9 at the night creche (the register isn't in the files, but they asked MW) and he said he doesn't remember, but may be, etc. no map (like in the rogs) etc. and that was it. They badly needed it because they had no explanation for the 45' walking around PDL.
Anyhow Ms Tanner passing transparently less than 1m  far from Mr W and Mr McCann goes on unexplained.
And Mr McCann is now without any alibi.

exactly anne it sounds like SY   are saying gerry was   the  only person around the apartment at the time???

[AnneGuedes]

Have you lost all confidence in Scotland Yard now Sadie since they have binned the Tanner sighting.  They say they are "almost certain".

It shouldn't be too difficult to be "certain". Fly ex-Bundlman to PDL, borrow a 4years old, and ask him to do the route he did and observe how long he resists with the kid on his stretched arms. The register indicates whether it was the first time Mr B was walking back home and possibly lost his way.

[sadie]

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[Lace]

Was it said that the man had collected his child from the crèche?   I can't remember,  could be he was taking his child to the crèche.

[Benice]

I've yet to read a credible reason to explain why this man has taken so long to come forward.

He may not have come forward.  It seems more likely to me that SY traced all the parents who left their children at the creche that night and contacted them.

[sadie]

On reflection during the night, my early thoughts wee incorrect
Please refer to  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2652.0

Was it said that the man had collected his child from the crèche?   I can't remember,  could be he was taking his child to the crèche.

Not likely Lace at 9.15pm I should have thought.

Jane Tanner is back in the picture.  THe creche was SE of where JT saw bundleman.  Bundleman was walking to the east.   Unless that man was somewhat lost and chosing not to take the alleyway route, he would be unlikely to be walking the direction that Jane saw him going


Unless (just thought of something).

Unless he was walking the MUCH longer route, somewhat similar to that John and Angelo insisted that David Payne would have walked, in order to alert the main reception at about 10.10pm.  THis was immediately after Madeleine was discoverd gone. Also, if he also made a minor route mistake at Baptistas Supermarket, then it could be correct.

Otherwise I cant see it.

gilet will remember it

Upon reflection it was I that got my initial thoughts wrong.     For explanation see http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2652.0



ETA.  Sorry am repeating myself a little.  Thought that I was posting on a different thread

[AnneGuedes]

Mr Payne never went to the reception, Mr Oldfield did.
Ms Tanner interpreted the pyjamas, she could have done the same with the direction. The opposite direction would make sort of sense, if the guest was staying in the G4.

[kmc]

I don't know what SY are up to but I don't buy that bundleman can be ruled out completely;   the part that struck me most during the reconstruction was the door being more ajar at 0915 - i.e. a reasonable probability that the intruder was already inside the apartment.  So why decide to hang about for half an hour or so before hot footing it to the beach and is it really a co-incidence that both bundleman and the Smith's man wore almost the same clothing??    For me, it just doesn't make sense to completely rule him out.  The other thing that really stood out was that any e-fits describing men with shoulder length hair were completely left off.....and there were up to three other independent witnesses who described suspicious looking men with that type of hair.  I really hope SY have a strategy that includes throwing people off.....because I don't buy burglars and I don't believe one siting can be ruled out because a British man decides to come forward 6 years later and say that it could have been him.

[Jacinta]

This  'gentleman'  has, apparently,  allowed the police to waste resources for six years ...  looking for a suspected abductor  who did not exist   ...   and,  in the meanwhile,  a missing child to be suffering God knows what  !

[sadie]

I don't know what SY are up to but I don't buy that bundleman can be ruled out completely;   the part that struck me most during the reconstruction was the door being more ajar at 0915 - i.e. a reasonable probability that the intruder was already inside the apartment.  So why decide to hang about for half an hour or so before hot footing it to the beach and is it really a co-incidence that both bundleman and the Smith's man wore almost the same clothing??    For me, it just doesn't make sense to completely rule him out.  The other thing that really stood out was that any e-fits describing men with shoulder length hair were completely left off.....and there were up to three other independent witnesses who described suspicious looking men with that type of hair.  I really hope SY have a strategy that includes throwing people off.....because I don't buy burglars and I don't believe one siting can be ruled out because a British man decides to come forward 6 years later and say that it could have been him.

Sound reasoning kmc.  I agree, but I dont rule out burglars being commisioned to do the actual lifting and removing.  But there was a mastermind, an elite ... imo.

[AnneGuedes]

He was there on Friday, on Saturday, he had a little child too, everybody knew a man had been seen carrying a child and he said nothing ?
Ah and how did he explain the child had almost nothing on and was barefoot ? At the creche, Iirc they lend a blanket.

[kmc]

Sound reasoning kmc.  I agree, but I dont rule out burglars being commisioned to do the actual lifting and removing.  But there was a mastermind, an elite ... imo.

I don't know about burglars - I mean if a 3/4 year old wakes up you would generally leg it because the chances are that they would bellow their head off if you took off.... Anyhow, a good example of what I meant about avoiding anyone with "hair" is that we were almost lead to believe that the guy caught skulking around under the stairs of the apartment with big glasses had closely shaven hair when the witness clearly stated "“He was quite tall and looked sort-of Scandinavian. He had lots of hair, close to his head — like it was glued. It was straight hair. He was about my age now — 45, 46."....  What I really want to know is why SY were so keen to avoid any suspects with anything other than very short/shaven hair.