SY claim the man Tanner saw had collected his child from the night creche ?

[Benice]

That makes me shiver !
I'm sorry, Benice, but rigor mortis is not just a word.

Which as doctors - they would know all about - and be able to take that into account.

[jassi]

Especially Diane Webster who had no responsiblity for any child - and only knew the McCanns as her daughter's friends.     Would she entertain taking the risk of ending up a Portuguese prison at her age - with her husband thousands of miles away in the UK - when there was absolutely no need for her to be involved in any way?   

IMO There's no chance any of them would take such a risk - but particularly so in DW's case.

I would agree that she would not have been 'in the loop', but never the less, she proved to a a rather vague and uncertain witness of events.

[Benice]

I would agree that she would not have been 'in the loop', but never the less, she proved to a a rather vague and uncertain witness of events.

But as she explained more then once - she had no need to concentrate on what other people were doing - and so she wasn't taking that much notice a lot of the time - why should she?   - and at her age her memory may not have been as sharp as it used to be anyway.   

[jassi]

But as she explained more then once - she had no need to concentrate on what other people were doing - and so she wasn't taking that much notice a lot of the time - why should she?   - and at her age her memory may not have been as sharp as it used to be anyway.

Come on - she's not that old. Next you'll be saying she lived in an alcoholic haze and couldn't distinguish one day from the next.

[AnneGuedes]

Your suggestion makes more sense Anne

You think that the rest of the group  (  or most of them at least )  believed that Madeleine  had  been abducted,   and that if they told any lies it was because they were fearful of their own position  (  re neglect )  ?   ...  and   NOT  in order  to cover up for the McCanns  ?

That's what I think, yes. Mr Payne is the only one who could have been told but I'm pretty sure Mrs Payne knew nothing. And I'm pretty sure too that Ms Tanner adjusted her sighting for the good cause.

[AnneGuedes]

Which as doctors - they would know all about - and be able to take that into account.

No need to be a doctor to know the dead of night would be too late.

[Admin]

what evidence would an abductor leave ? they walk in take child out of bed walk out.. takes seconds...

Footprints, fingerprints and shed fibres to name three.  The scene of crimes officer can also determine whether an intruder was wearing gloves.

[Benita]

Footprints, fingerprints and shed fibres to name three.  The scene of crimes officer can also determine whether an intruder was wearing gloves.

are you forgetting something here ?

[icabodcrane]

Footprints, fingerprints and shed fibres to name three.  The scene of crimes officer can also determine whether an intruder was wearing gloves.

Yes,  Locard's exchange principle determines  that any intruder would have left some trace of himself behind

[Benice]

No need to be a doctor to know the dead of night would be too late.

Why would it be too late  - they would know what was going to happen 'in the dead of night' and would take measures to deal with it.  We are not talking about an adult cadaver here.

[Benita]

Yes,  Locard's exchange principle determines  that any intruder would have left some trace of himself behind

he most probably did ..how do they find it ..after all the folk and GNR trampling footprints an fingers prints all over the place ?

[icabodcrane]

he most probably did ..how do they find it ..after all the folk and GNR trampling footprints an fingers prints all over the place ?

There are  two possibilities for no forensic evidence of an intruder being found

1 )  The early investigation of the crime scene was inept  and,  subsequently,   any trace of an intruder was destroyed       

2 )  There was no intruder 

[jassi]

There are  two possibilities for no forensic evidence of an intruder being found

1 )  The early investigation of the crime scene was inept  and,  subsequently,   any trace of an intruder was destroyed       

2 )  There was no intruder

The crime scene wasn't a crime scene to begin with - it was merely a report of a missing child - and was effectively trashed by all the comings and goings long before the police first arrived.

[icabodcrane]

The crime scene wasn't a crime scene to begin with - it was merely a report of a missing child - and was effectively trashed by all the comings and goings long before the police first arrived.

Even so jassi,  it is questionable whether  ALL  traces of an intruder would have been lost

 

[Benita]

Even so jassi,  it is questionable whether  ALL  traces of an intruder would have been lost

but impossible to determin what footprints etc belonged to a intruder..so yes ..lost no question about it..