maddie would not have vanished if kate and gerry had been there

[Lace]

FFS it  was not one  time pam heard maddie  crying  for  70 minutes one night do you have no compassion for maddie?

Mrs. Fenn did not say she heard Madeleine crying,  she heard a child crying.

The child could have been the child of one of the Tapas group,   this child wasn't well,  the father was with her.  This child could have been crying for her dad,   he could have fallen asleep.

Why is it always taken that it was Madeleine?

Do you think Madeleine would have cried this long and not woken the twins?

Kate said she was in the apartment when Madeleine was supposed to have been heard crying.

[Angelo222]

where you there ffs how would you know what kind of holiday madeleine had...are going by your own experience of the shitty holiday you had when your neglective parents left you alone

madeleine looks very happy in her holiday photos so stop making things up ffs

Yea...it was such a great holiday she has never been seen since.

[Carew]

Why is it only Madeleine who was DUMPED in the Kiddies club..  I don't see any of the other children who were signed up for it being described like that.

Kiddies clubs are designed specifically and exclusively for the enjoyment of the children - they are not torture chambers.    Perhaps people think it would be better to drag them round a chillly beach, or keep them cooped up in the apartment when it rained  - rather than let them have a great time with other children in a Kiddies club. 

 If they were not popular with the children they would not exist.

Then why not leave the children in the night crèche too ?

After all.......Madeleine had commented about waking alone and crying the night before and this had obviously concerned her parents enough for them to consider increasing the number of "checks."

Why choose an unrelaxed, interrupted evening meal filled with anxiety about ones child waking distressed when an alternative was available?

[Lace]

Yea...it was such a great holiday she has never been seen since.

Yes, a great holiday while it lasted,  until some evil slime ball took her from her bed.

[Angelo222]

The children of the other couples only went to the creche in the mornings whereas Madeleine and the twins were put there morning and afternoon and left alone at night.

Not according to Redwood. He says there were 11 children from 8 families in the OC crèche the night Madeleine disappeared.

[Benice]

Mrs. Fenn did not say she heard Madeleine crying,  she heard a child crying.

The child could have been the child of one of the Tapas group,   this child wasn't well,  the father was with her.  This child could have been crying for her dad,   he could have fallen asleep.

Why is it always taken that it was Madeleine?

Do you think Madeleine would have cried this long and not woken the twins?

Kate said she was in the apartment when Madeleine was supposed to have been heard crying.

Exactly.   And the bar staff confirmed that the only night the group stayed later than usal was on the 2nd.     Mrs Fenn heard a child crying on the 1st May.

[Benice]

Then why not leave the children in the night crèche too ?

After all.......Madeleine had commented about waking alone and crying the night before and this had obviously concerned her parents enough for them to consider increasing the number of "checks."

Why choose an unrelaxed, interrupted evening meal filled with anxiety about ones child waking distressed when an alternative was available?

The McCanns liked routine - (a major reason why they were so easy to target IMO).     And they knew their children's sleeping habits - which didn't fit in with the Creche times.   They probably thought it was far less disruptive for the children to continue with their usual bedtime routine.    Carrying 3 children back from a creche is no easy task - especially considering the considerable distance involved from the Night creche to 5A.  IMO

 

 

[DCI]

Kate talked about Madeleine being exhausted on the very day she disappeared but never explained why.  I will tell you why.

Madeleine was dumped in the crèche as per usual while mummy and daddy did their own thing. Unbeknownst to them Madeleine was down at the beach sobbing her heart out in the lap of a stranger, a nurse, because she was afraid to go out in a boat.  And then we hear that she also questioned her mother that same morning about being left alone in the apartment.

And still they left her alone!!

You should read more Angelo, that way you might get something right, for once.

LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE SQUAD
WITNESS TESTIMONY OF CATRIONA SISILE BAKER
Occupation: Childcare worker

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm

I never noted anything strange in Madeleine's comportment during the time I stayed with her. There was one occasion, on Thursday, 3rd of May 2007, around 10H30 in the morning, where she cried at the launch of the yellow safety boat in the ocean where all the children were sailing. She was scared and fearful and cried on my lap "I am scared, I am scared." We only used the launches to transport the children to the small yellow boats. When we returned to the other boat she was happy again. She sailed in the small boat and even though some children had the opportunity to return to the port, she stayed for a second time as she appeared to be having a good time. Jane Tanner's daughter also took part in my group and together they would play. Apart from being a happy child in the club, she always seemed very content when she saw her parents. Madeleine did not demonstrate any fear with the return launch to land.

Madeleine never mentioned that she had cried in the absence of her parents nor did she tell me anything of significance relating to feeling sad or something relevant that would cause me to worry.

[Angelo222]

Yes, a great holiday while it lasted,  until some evil slime ball took her from her bed.

Still unproven.

[Carew]

The McCanns liked routine - (a major reason why they were so easy to target IMO).     And they knew their children's sleeping habits - which didn't fit in with the Creche times.   They probably thought it was far less disruptive for the children to continue with their usual bedtime routine.    Carrying 3 children back from a creche is no easy task - especially considering the considerable distance involved from the Night creche to 5A.  IMO

 

 

Ah!..........I don`t know what the "crèche times"  or hours are.......

I thought that the service would be flexible enough to accommodate a variety of sleeping habits, since it was available to what would be a changing clientele from night to night.

With so many friends, I expect the McCanns could have found volunteers to help carry their sleeping toddlers back......in the same way they had helped with the "checking"

It had been demonstrated the night before that sleeping habits could not be relied on and as such had caused concern such that the "checking" had been increased.

Thanks for your points.

[Redblossom]

Ah!..........I don`t know what the "crèche times"  or hours are.......

I thought that the service would be flexible enough to accommodate a variety of sleeping habits, since it was available to what would be a changing clientele from night to night.

With so many friends, I expect the McCanns could have found volunteers to help carry their sleeping toddlers back......in the same way they had helped with the "checking"

Good point and the hours were 7 30 to 11 30

And what was wrong in having a couple buggies...going on hols with three toddlers and no buggy?

[Montclair]

Exactly.   And the bar staff confirmed that the only night the group stayed later than usal was on the 2nd.     Mrs Fenn heard a child crying on the 1st May.

A friend of mine who works at the private hospital where Mrs. Fenn was interned said that she told everyone that the children cried every night.

[Victoria]

A friend of mine who works at the private hospital where Mrs. Fenn was interned said that she told everyone that the children cried every night.

A friend of mine said that never happened.

[drummer]

My uncles brother agrees with your friend Victoria he said it never happened either.

[Jazzy]

and   looking  after their children people  can skirt around the issue but even  if there was a abductor    if the mcanns had been there they would have been able to protect her that is why people will always question the mcanns because of  their total lack of judgement leading to the vanishing of a precious little girl all IMO


and they have never   said  dont do it   they instead are defensive about it   maddie paid the price for that lack of judgement and  selfish behaviour not the mcanns

How many times are you going to say this?