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AnneGuedes

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #195 on: November 12, 2013, 09:03:43 PM »

All dogs separately went through the main doors, not a single dog used the patio doors.

The first dog (the only one who went inside of the flat), Numi, went very close to that (closed) window-door. I'm not sure he was free to choose the exit.

Redblossom

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #196 on: November 12, 2013, 09:04:53 PM »
I thought the dogs would pick up the last route.
Why would they pick up a route of May 1st?
They could simply go through the patio doors and to the playground, then to creche, that would be her last ( strongest) route?
I am not satisfied with this May 1st explanation.. it is too far in past.. Madeleine walked around many times after that!

I doubt dogs trails are robotic or that scientific, they may have picked up several trails..weak and strong...they picked up a trail round the flats and down the road to the car park and to the entrance of the ocean club where the kids ate after the creche and where their play area was.....as for may 1st thats gerry words....he never said Madeleine and the kids went round the flats that day he was vague..monday to wednesday.... may 1st the tuesday was when Russell showed hm a shortcut....To the creche....as I said before, confusing subject, so taking my leave

AnneGuedes

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #197 on: November 12, 2013, 09:05:19 PM »
and they came to that car park where the dogs found her strong scent.
The scent was precisely very weak in the car park, the dogs lost the trail.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #198 on: November 12, 2013, 09:05:27 PM »
Madeleine crossed that car park for the last time around 5pm East-West, then she crossed Francisco GM and entered in the tapas resort.

This doesn't explain while all dogs took the front door route. The dogs could as well go towards the patio doors and exit there but they did not.

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #199 on: November 12, 2013, 09:06:32 PM »
The dogs wouldn't work this way. Their starting point is the last place the missing person is seen.  And the last place she was seen is her bedroom.
All dogs separately went through the main doors, not a single dog used the patio doors.
IMO this means Madeleine on her last exit from that apartment went out through the front doors, not the patio doors.

So far what I believe from this is that:
Person who took Madeleine spent some time in the apartment ( from around 9pm to around 9.40 pm) and they took Madeleine out through the front door and to the car park.
Now, the question is whether the dogs would pick up the scent if she was carried and if she was god forbid dead while being carried?


Madeleine arrived at 5.30pm and entered through the front door of the apartment. She followed that dog tracking route direction from apartment to the car park (but in reverse as she was coming from the creche). But that 10 May statement said she entered the apartment from the back. I don't agree with that statement. The dogs are showing she entered from the front and an abductor is not going to use that direction to go to that car park when there's one straight behind the apartment.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2013, 09:14:36 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #200 on: November 12, 2013, 09:10:29 PM »
I doubt dogs trails are robotic or that scientific, they may have picked up several trails..weak and strong...they picked up a trail round the flats and down the road to the car park and to the entrance of the ocean club where the kids ate after the creche and where their play area was.....as for may 1st thats gerry words....he never said Madeleine and the kids went round the flats that day he was vague..monday to wednesday.... may 1st the tuesday was when Russell showed hm a shortcut....To the creche....as I said before, confusing subject, so taking my leave
It could have been on Wednesday 2nd morning. Anyway it's very interesting to observe that the same dogs followed the same route on the 7th, three days later. It shows that the scent remains quite a long time on a protected ground as this is the case of this route. The handler explains this very well.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #201 on: November 12, 2013, 09:13:38 PM »
Madeleine arrived at 5.30pm and entered through the front door of the apartment. She followed that dog tracking route direction from apartment to the car park (but in reverse as she was coming from the creche). But that 10 May statement said she entered the apartment from the back. I don't agree with that statement.
No, she entered in the flat through the patio-door. The dogs didn't follow this track. If they had started near the pool, they might have followed it.

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #202 on: November 12, 2013, 09:16:23 PM »
But wouldn't the dogs have found her scent before they reached the car park? The back of the apartment is across the road and not far from the lane.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2013, 09:19:03 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #203 on: November 12, 2013, 09:17:50 PM »
It would be interesting to know what SY and PJ make out of this dogs route !

AnneGuedes

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #204 on: November 12, 2013, 09:18:29 PM »
This doesn't explain while all dogs took the front door route. The dogs could as well go towards the patio doors and exit there but they did not.
No, the first dog had no choice but to leave through the main door where he picked up a scent, possibly not the freshest one.
The next day, the second dogs, Rex then Zarus, didn't enter in the flat. They were freed in the corridor, first went towards 5A, then turned back and followed down the corridor.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #205 on: November 12, 2013, 09:27:21 PM »
But wouldn't the dogs have found her scent before they reached the car park? The back of the apartment is across the road and not far from the lane.
When Rex reached Francisco GM, he suddenly was in a area swept by cars and wind etc., he nevertheless crossed the street, perhaps because he picked up the scent Madeleine left there many times (if they always crossed this street at more or less the same point). Then he didn't hesitate and turned right (showing he had really picked up something) but then, arriving at the lamp post the dog was lost. I think he was lost because the scent was getting weaker and weaker, indicating he was in the wrong direction. That's why he crossed where Madeleine had crossed at 5 when she came back from the creche. Unfortunately the secondary reception's door was closed and nobody opened it. So the dog lost the scent irremediably.
The fact the dogs couldn't choose the exit from the flat, the fact that nobody opened the door to the dog, makes me feel that nobody believed much in these dogs. A pity.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #206 on: November 12, 2013, 09:36:43 PM »
5.30pm was the last time Madeleine was seen alive outside the apartment so I'm astonished they never checked the back of the apartment with the dogs.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline VIXTE

Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #207 on: November 12, 2013, 09:38:02 PM »
A pity.

I agree.. It is a big pity these dogs weren't used more and their findings investigated to a bigger detail.

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #208 on: November 12, 2013, 09:40:29 PM »
Even from these findings I think there's a discrepancy on which entrance was used by Madeleine to enter the apartment at 5.30pm. I can't dismiss these dog searches that seem to show that the front entrance way was used by Madeleine but at 5.30pm I don't know.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2013, 09:42:01 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #209 on: November 12, 2013, 09:55:01 PM »
Even from these findings I think there's a discrepancy on which entrance was used by Madeleine to enter the apartment at 5.30pm. I can't dismiss these dog searches that seem to show that the front entrance way was used by Madeleine but at 5.30pm I don't know.
If you read the files, you'll see that on that day, Madeleine went out of the flat twice using the patio-door and entered once (the other is unknown) using  that patio-door.