Did the moving door have any relevance to Madeleine's disappearance?

[Mr Gray]

It means the child was still alive when she vanished.

Eddie and Grime indicate the opposite.

As does the dig in PDL right outside the back door....

grime says nothing of the sort..stick to the facts

[pegasus]

BTW as well as not getting who opened the bedroom door, peeps are also out on time of exit from apartment - it wasn't 21:20 (as in JT sighting, or in pathfinder theory) and it wasn't 22:00 (as in smith sighting theories like SY's), and it wasn't the window between, all just IMO.

[Cariad]

BTW as well as not getting who opened the bedroom door, peeps are also out on time of exit from apartment - it wasn't 21:20 (as in JT sighting, or in pathfinder theory) and it wasn't 22:00 (as in smith sighting theories like SY's), and it wasn't the window between, all just IMO.

In your theory did Madeleine get up before 9:10 then go back to bed and settle herself to sleep again after waking up alone in a strange place/country?

[pegasus]

In your theory did Madeleine get up before 9:10 then go back to bed and settle herself to sleep again after waking up alone in a strange place/country?

If the bedroom door was wider open at 21:10 than at 20:30, then it can only have been the child who made it wider open by leaving the bedroom then returning to the bedroom, for example to go bathroom, or to see if adults are in. I don't think this return trip, if it happened, is of any importance.

I am interested in the door becoming wider open after 21:10, which IMO definitely did happen, and it can only have been the child who opened it, to go into another room, I have already explained the reason for this, which is someone opening the window and shutter from outside.

The key fact (or assumption you might say), which is required to be recognised to understand this short sequence of events, is that the apartment looked like no-one was in. If I got that wrong, then my whole theory (and I only posted the first bit) is nothing more than a pile of horse droppings.

[Cariad]

If the bedroom door was wider open at 21:10 than at 20:30, then it can only have been the child who made it wider open by leaving the bedroom then returning to the bedroom, for example to go bathroom, or to see if adults are in. I don't think this return trip, if it happened, is of any importance.

I am interested in the door becoming wider open after 21:10, which IMO definitely did happen, and it can only have been the child who opened it, to go into another room, I have already explained the reason for this, which is someone opening the window and shutter from outside.

The key fact (or assumption you might say), which is required to be recognised to understand this short sequence of events, is that the apartment looked like no-one was in. If I got that wrong, then my whole theory (and I only posted the first bit) is nothing more than a pile of horse droppings.

I find it hard to believe that a 4 year old child could wake in unfamiliar surroundings and settle herself so quickly afterwards.

[jassi]

I find it hard to believe that a 4 year old child could wake in unfamiliar surroundings and settle herself so quickly afterwards.

Particularly one who apparently had sleeping problems anyway.

[pathfinder73]

Particularly one who apparently had sleeping problems anyway.

"Madeleine would often get up in the night and go and sleep in the same bed as err Kate and Gerry so I think their sleep patterns were pretty disturbed." (DP)

[pegasus]

I find it hard to believe that a 4 year old child could wake in unfamiliar surroundings and settle herself so quickly afterwards.

I see no problem with a child on holiday waking and going back to sleep, a very common thing methinks.

But is no-one interested in why the bedroom door was found wider open at 22:00?
Does no-one, except me and Mr Amaral, even consider the possibility that it might have been opened by the only mobile person known to be present?
It's not rocket science.
You will never get to the second part of what happened, if you don't accept reasonable possibilities for the first part, JIMO.

[jassi]

How could she possibly know how the door had been left, seeing as others had been in the apartment, 'checking' since she left at 8.30 ?

[pathfinder73]

How could she possibly know how the door had been left, seeing as others had been in the apartment, 'checking' since she left at 8.30 ?

She thought it was strange so you would think she would check the room to see if any of the kids were missing from their beds before closing it.

[jassi]

She thought it was strange so you would think she would check the room to see if any of the kids were missing from their beds before closing it.

Yes, you would, but it begs the question as to why she thought it strange .

[pathfinder73]

Yes, you would, but it begs the question as to why she thought it strange .

She explained that it was usually ajar but then she thought Matt may have moved it open which he didn't. But you would still check to see if they were in bed before shutting the door.

[pathfinder73]

Yes well I base my theory around the prime suspect seen taking Madeleine away on the night. You ignore Smithman at your peril because he did it.

[Cariad]

I see no problem with a child on holiday waking and going back to sleep, a very common thing methinks.

But is no-one interested in why the bedroom door was found wider open at 22:00?
Does no-one, except me and Mr Amaral, even consider the possibility that it might have been opened by the only mobile person known to be present?
It's not rocket science.
You will never get to the second part of what happened, if you don't accept reasonable possibilities for the first part, JIMO.

Waking, getting up, opening the door, getting back into bed and falling asleep in the same position that her father left her in 40 minutes before?

Actually, I do find that strange. It's been a while since I've had toddlers, but I'm fairly sure that waking up in a strange place and finding themselves without Mummy or Daddy would've been a massively traumatic experience and not conducive with settling back to sleep!


Even if this did happen (it's not impossible, just highly unlikely imo) You then need to explain the door moving again between 9:10 and 9:30. Dr Mccann closed it to it's usual position of 5(?) degrees, yet it was half open for Matts check at 9:30, then wide open again at 10.



 

[pegasus]

Yes well I base my theory around the prime suspect seen taking Madeleine away on the night. You ignore Smithman at your peril because he did it.

Do you agree that SmithMan was wearing beige or white trousers and was carrying a child with long sleeves?