Jeremy Bamber - The gouge marks on Nevill's arm

[John]

Much has been written about the gouge marks on Nevill Bamber's arm.  We know that the assailant wore gloves when he carried out the murders so some have asked how was it possible for a gloved individual to have done such a thing.

The answer comes from Julie Mugford and her statement to police. Julie told how Jeremy Bamber had told her that a hit man had carried out the attack on his behalf for £2000.  Bamber told her that he had reported back to him that Nevill had put up a fight in the kitchen and that a glove had come off in the assault.  There you have it, the only difference is that Jeremy was the attacker and he was recalling events from his own recollection of events.

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[John]

Does anyone else think that the marks on Nevill's arms are the same as those on his back?  They certainly weren't caused by any rifle barrel.

[John]

Here again are the marks on Nevill's back for comparison purposes.

Mark on arm 04 certainly looks identical to those below.

[Tim Invictus]

Poor Nevill. I wish I could have been there to beat the living daylights out of Bamber. I am sure Nevill would have had him if he wasn't taken by surprise and already shot 3/4 times!

You're right John the marks do look similar on Nevill's arm and back. I don't think American rent an expert is going to change anything! 

[Myster]

Here again are the marks on Nevill's back for comparison purposes.

Mark on arm 04 certainly looks identical to those below.

Nothing deceives like a photograph, John..., especially a b&w one. You can bump up the brightness in Photoshop and make it look like a normal blooded wound, not a burn mark; which makes me think why were we only shown  b&w ones, not colour in McKay's documentary. I wonder if colour ones even exist that were examined in the US and whether they were pulling the wool over our eyes again, as they did with the length of the rifle barrels.

[Mr Justice K]

In my humble opinion some of those marks are defensive wounds received probably as a consequence of being jabbed by the end of the rifle which was damaged.  Jabbed as in fended off.

[John]

It just goes to show that you cannot take anything for granted when it comes to Tesko.  We have heard about these burn marks on Nevill's back but as you say Tim, we have never seen any colour photos of them and I can assure you they do exist.

Lets do the exercise in reverse, here is the Mark on Arm 04 photo alongside the lower back supposed burn injury and both are now in black and white.  Spot the difference?

[John]

In my humble opinion some of those marks are defensive wounds received probably as a consequence of being jabbed by the end of the rifle which was damaged.  Jabbed as in fended off.

He explained those away as having sustained them on the farm.  Makes you wonder though as it wasn't corroborated.

[Tim Invictus]

In my humble opinion some of those marks are defensive wounds received probably as a consequence of being jabbed by the end of the rifle which was damaged.  Jabbed as in fended off.

Interesting point me lud! I must admit I assumed the marks to Nevill's back have been identified as burn marks but they do look similar to the arm wounds and look consistent with fending off marks as you suggested.

[Weety]

The marks on Neville's arms are identical to those seen on people with thinning of the skin, which happens naturally as people get older and can also be caused by long term use of some drugs such as steroids. It tends to affect the limbs more than the torso, and the arms are particularly vulnerable to skin tearing and bruising because they tend to come into contact with things more.

I also wondered why they used B&W photos in the documentary when colour ones are clearly available.

[Padgates staff]

The marks on Neville's arm remind me of the marks some older people get when on warfarin and some other tablets, they don't really look sinister to me. They could also be bruises from a 'knock' to his arms which I'd expect to happen in the normal course of farming-handling heavy machinery isn't always easy.

[Myster]

The marks on Neville's arm remind me of the marks some older people get when on warfarin and some other tablets, they don't really look sinister to me. They could also be bruises from a 'knock' to his arms which I'd expect to happen in the normal course of farming-handling heavy machinery isn't always easy.

Thanks John. How do they know the marks on nevile were even made that night? They look like older marks to me, as if theyre starting to heal.

Andrea... Joanne...  they are defence wounds caused when Nevill was trying to protect himself from battering with the rifle barrel. As you probably know the ulna is the lower arm bone which faces away from you if you hold your arm up to defend your face. There are several narrow parallel marks which show that he was struck 3 or 4 times in quick succession. (IMO)

[Myster]

John... I don't think the arm photos are available in the document library here, are they?

I know you put them up once before, because I downloaded them (colour and b&w) to my own pc.

[Myster]

Thanks John. How do they know the marks on nevile were even made that night? They look like older marks to me, as if theyre starting to heal.

Are you referring solely to the burn marks Andrea?
I think it was regarded by Vanezis that they were recent...,

[goatboy]

A lot of people think they could be cigarette burns. This doesn't actually narrow the field of suspects down as lots of people smoked in the 80s including Sheila and Jeremy. 3/8 of an inch would be about the diameter of a cigarette I think.