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Offline gilet

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2013, 06:30:29 PM »
"Searched through the night" I've heard used in missing persons incidents before. Seems she wasn't important enough for that.
I would be interested in seeing evidence of that.

Could you provide a few examples of cases in which the parents have "searched through the night" as you claim?


Offline gilet

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2013, 06:35:49 PM »
I still can't believe that the McCanns think it is in any way reasonable to spend the night making phone calls/texting/deleting texts/whatever and then only popping out to search once they deem it light enough.  Maybe it's just me, but I'd have been out there tearing up bushes with my bare hands looking for a missing daughter of mine.  Banging on doors, looking around, you know... "searching" I think it's called?

Just because you and others may have done something at a particular time of stress does not mean that is what everyone would have done.

There is clear evidence that the McCanns did physically search from daylight, at least one GNR officer having seen them. And of course they spent the rest of the day being whisked to Portimao to give statements so could not have physically searched then.

But I repeat my questions relating to what people are claiming here.

What physical searching should the McCanns have been doing for the last few years. The OP certainly suggests that they should have been doing some.

And where is the evidence that other parents who are actually in that situation physically "searched all night" as opposed to the claims by those who have never been under that stress that that is what they would have done? Is there any evidence for people having done this in other similar cases?

Offline Benice

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2013, 06:38:54 PM »
"Searched through the night" I've heard used in missing persons incidents before. Seems she wasn't important enough for that.

IIRC April Jones parents didn't search once the police had been called.    Maybe they were in no state to search mentally or physically,  or maybe it was because the police always ask parents to stay at home in case the child returns and so they they (the police) know exactly where the parents are. 

Missing Ayrshire toddler Sandy Davidson's mother Margaret told Lorraine Kelly that she couldn't physically take part in the search for her son because she was too afraid that she might be the one to find him and she was afraid of what that might be.

I've never seen a word of criticism for those parents.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline gilet

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2013, 06:46:40 PM »
IIRC April Jones parents didn't search once the police had been called.    Maybe they were in no state to search mentally or physically,  or maybe it was because the police always ask parents to stay at home in case the child returns and so they they (the police) know exactly where the parents are. 

Missing Ayrshire toddler Sandy Davidson's mother Margaret told Lorraine Kelly that she couldn't physically take part in the search for her son because she was too afraid that she might be the one to find him and she was afraid of what that might be.

I've never seen a word of criticism for those parents.

That is the reality.

I am waiting now for those who claim that other parents in similar situations have "searched through the night" to provide examples. 

Anti McCanns (who thankfully have not been in the same situation) loudly proclaim that is what they WOULD have done but that is irrelevant. Lets see the real cases where it has been done.

Offline imustpointout

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2013, 06:50:39 PM »
I am sure that some parents would search and search, just as others wouldn't.

However, if the Mccanns had searched through the night, they would have been accused of hiding the body in that time.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2013, 06:53:31 PM »
That is the reality.

I am waiting now for those who claim that other parents in similar situations have "searched through the night" to provide examples. 

Anti McCanns (who thankfully have not been in the same situation) loudly proclaim that is what they WOULD have done but that is irrelevant. Lets see the real cases where it has been done.


Quote from: Wonderfulspam on Today at 06:27:25 PM
"Searched through the night" I've heard used in missing persons incidents before. Seems she wasn't important enough for that.

No mention of parents there, & note the "heard" bit.
 
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Offline Jazzy

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2013, 06:54:27 PM »
IIRC April Jones parents didn't search once the police had been called.    Maybe they were in no state to search mentally or physically,  or maybe it was because the police always ask parents to stay at home in case the child returns and so they they (the police) know exactly where the parents are. 

Missing Ayrshire toddler Sandy Davidson's mother Margaret told Lorraine Kelly that she couldn't physically take part in the search for her son because she was too afraid that she might be the one to find him and she was afraid of what that might be.

I've never seen a word of criticism for those parents.

The Jones were the targets of critcism, as well, all for daring let thier child play outside on her bicicly.
 Once the police are called, parents are not encouraged to search, initial searches are carried out by the police not least because of concern about what parents or any other member of the public might find.

Offline imustpointout

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2013, 06:55:12 PM »


what size torch would you need?

Offline Jazzy

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2013, 06:55:53 PM »

Quote from: Wonderfulspam on Today at 06:27:25 PM
"Searched through the night" I've heard used in missing persons incidents before. Seems she wasn't important enough for that.

No mention of parents there, & note the "heard" bit.

Am I right in thinking you are saying the Mccanns missing child wasn't important enough to them for them to search for her?

Offline Benice

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2013, 06:56:42 PM »

From Kates Book

On my insistence Gerry and Dave went out again to look for some sign of Madeleine.   They went up and down  the beach in the dark, running, shouting, desperate to find something; please God, to find Madeleine herself...............................
 
...................................At one point I went out to speak to the police, needing some reassurance.   It was difficult and exasperating as communication was so limited and there was no reassurance to be had.    I walked briskly up and down Rua Dr Agostinho  da Siva, sometimes breaking into a jog, clinging to the hope that I'd spot  something  in the dark.   The fear of Madeleine being dumped somewhere and dying of hypothermia started to hijack my thoughts.............................
 
............................As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search.  We went up and down roads we'd never seen before, having barely left the Ocean Club complex all week.   We jumped over walls and raked through undergrowth.  We looked in in ditches and holes.  All was quiet apart from the sound of barking dogs, which added to the eeriness of the atmosphere.   I remember opening a big dumpster type bin and saying to myself please God, don't let it be her
 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline gilet

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2013, 06:57:09 PM »
I am sure that some parents would search and search, just as others wouldn't.

However, if the Mccanns had searched through the night, they would have been accused of hiding the body in that time.

You made a claim that you have seen examples of parents who "searched through the night". Can you provide examples or is that just an opinion as now seems likely from this post?

You are right of course that had the McCanns been searching that would have been turned on them.

But it is not as far as I can see, the norm for parents in a similar situation to actually search through the night.

Can anyone show otherwise by citing actual examples of it having been done rather than trite remarks that that is what they WOULD have done?

Offline imustpointout

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2013, 06:57:42 PM »


floodlights?

Offline gilet

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2013, 06:58:07 PM »

Quote from: Wonderfulspam on Today at 06:27:25 PM
"Searched through the night" I've heard used in missing persons incidents before. Seems she wasn't important enough for that.

No mention of parents there, & note the "heard" bit.

But are there ANY examples of that ever having been done by parents in similar situations?


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Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2013, 07:01:27 PM »
That is the reality.

I am waiting now for those who claim that other parents in similar situations have "searched through the night" to provide examples. 

Anti McCanns (who thankfully have not been in the same situation) loudly proclaim that is what they WOULD have done but that is irrelevant. Lets see the real cases where it has been done.

Gerry went to sleep that night  ...  a matter of hours after Madeleine was found missing

Not only was he not  'searching through the night'  ...  he was asleep !

Offline imustpointout

Re: The Libel Trial - So who or what did hinder the search for Madeleine??
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2013, 07:04:43 PM »
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hours after Madeleine was found missing