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ferryman

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« Reply #630 on: November 27, 2013, 04:19:27 PM »
I don't think so.  So not possible to blame Amaral for that cock up, presuming that they made more mistakes than the Southern Ireland mistake.
But no further application was made to reinterview The Smiths, which would suggest that The Portuguese Investigation at that time did not think that The Smith's testimonies would add anything at all.
And nor do I, as it happens.

I'm not sure exactly at what point it was determined that there should be rogatory inerviews.

My impression is at some point during Rebelo's tenure in charge.

Might be wrong on that, though ...

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« Reply #631 on: November 27, 2013, 04:23:14 PM »
I do understand the importance of them. I'm sure the Met Commissioner does too. But when he speaks in public he doesn't mention them, and neither does the media. At best that's dumbing down.

Why?  This is just legallities.  Get it right or go away and try again.

This has nothing to do with The Met or The Media.

You cannot question a Citizen of Eire by applying to The UK.  It really is that simple.

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« Reply #632 on: November 27, 2013, 04:30:08 PM »
I'm not sure exactly at what point it was determined that there should be rogatory inerviews.

My impression is at some point during Rebelo's tenure in charge.

Might be wrong on that, though ...

No, you are not wrong.  It was Rebelo.  And certain members of The Current PJ Investigation did come to England at that time.  But they left in a hurry when yet more leaks were going on.  So much for Secrecy.
The whole thing was a farce.

ferryman

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #633 on: November 27, 2013, 04:33:37 PM »
Why?  This is just legallities.  Get it right or go away and try again.

This has nothing to do with The Met or The Media.

You cannot question a Citizen of Eire by applying to The UK.  It really is that simple.

The question of greater interest to me than the error in sending a rogatory letter to the wrong pariiament is why it wasn't rectified.

I think, most likely, because it was judged Mr Smith was not, after all, such a crucial witness.

That might have been a wrong call ...

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« Reply #634 on: November 27, 2013, 04:47:44 PM »
The question of greater interest to me than the error in sending a rogatory letter to the wrong pariiament is why it wasn't rectified.

I think, most likely, because it was judged Mr Smith was not, after all, such a crucial witness.

That might have been a wrong call ...

I think that this is what I said.  Mr Smith being alone in his assumption.

Just exactly what is 60% to 80% when Mr. Smith himself admits that he didn't even see the face of the man properly?

But I do most sincerely hope that Mr. Smith will be able to forgive himself for what he believed was of some sort of help.

I alone could have torn his testimony to shreds.

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« Reply #635 on: November 27, 2013, 04:48:11 PM »
The Letters of request (rogs) seem to be here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

Which did Amaral's team send off prior to his removal from the case*?

* From memory on 2nd Oct 2007.

« Last Edit: November 27, 2013, 04:53:21 PM by Carana »

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #636 on: November 27, 2013, 04:55:11 PM »
I think that this is what I said.  Mr Smith being alone in his assumption.

Just exactly what is 60% to 80% when Mr. Smith himself admits that he didn't even see the face of the man properly?

But I do most sincerely hope that Mr. Smith will be able to forgive himself for what he believed was of some sort of help.

I alone could have torn his testimony to shreds.

Forgive hmself? heard it all now....why the hell should he....he spoke as he found...and came forward....you should be applauding him for his courage for doing so even though he felt in shock....not morally preachng to him! Disgusting.

« Last Edit: November 27, 2013, 05:05:04 PM by Redblossom »

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #637 on: November 27, 2013, 04:59:41 PM »
So it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, within uncertain boundaries.

It actually has no definitive meaning.

It has an exact meaning. The Latin means "for this", and in English it means "how to proceed in this case alone". This as opposed to how such things ma have been done conventionally.
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« Reply #638 on: November 27, 2013, 05:01:10 PM »
Just exactly what is 60% to 80% when Mr. Smith himself admits that he didn't even see the face of the man properly?

A bit like it being claimed JT was 80% sure Cooperman was the man she saw at 9.15 when she didn't see his face?

I alone could have torn his testimony to shreds.

You said it.

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« Reply #639 on: November 27, 2013, 05:01:29 PM »
Read other books than just that one, Eleanor. When a child disappears without any trace, police everywhere - Portugal, UK, US, and everywhere else - always suspect everyone: the child's parents included.

And don't ignore other leads when they contradict your prime guess.
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« Reply #640 on: November 27, 2013, 05:02:54 PM »
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.


Has he been proven wrong?

He has certainly not been proved right.
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« Reply #641 on: November 27, 2013, 05:03:39 PM »
And don't ignore other leads when they contradict your prime guess.

What other leads were not investigated?

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« Reply #642 on: November 27, 2013, 05:04:57 PM »
No, you are not wrong.  It was Rebelo.  And certain members of The Current PJ Investigation did come to England at that time.  But they left in a hurry when yet more leaks were going on.  So much for Secrecy.
The whole thing was a farce.

Nesting for the PJ.
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« Reply #643 on: November 27, 2013, 05:05:56 PM »
The Letters of request (rogs) seem to be here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

Which did Amaral's team send off prior to his removal from the case*?

* From memory on 2nd Oct 2007.

Oh My, you could be right.  Although in so far as I understand it, Amaral was just in the process of calling The Smiths back to Portugal, without the benefit of any legal obligation.  So Mr. Smith could have refused.
Sadly, we will never know because Amaral was sacked shortly after.  And Rebelo didn't think it was worth the extra effort.

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #644 on: November 27, 2013, 05:07:23 PM »
What other leads were not investigated?

Other leads were investigated, but trying to slam dunk a confession out of the McCann's destroyed their case.
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