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stephen25000

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #555 on: November 11, 2013, 05:41:06 PM »
John

I wish you would open your mind to what has happened.

A man and a woman have been clanged in jail on NO EVIDENCE except of the TORTURED OUT type.  A llittl girl may well have been abducted.  In fact without this tortured out stuff the indicators are there that she was abducted.

You seem to not even be prepared to consider what torture does to this case.  That because of this torture and the fact that the officers in charge are a couple of R....., with one being a proven liar in the PT courts, the case is totally unsafe.  TOTALLY and UTTERLY UNSAFE.  Sorry to shout, but I am very upset by the injustices in this case.


Are you unconcerned about Joanas welfare, or the total Miscarriage of Justice against Leonor and Joao?   Are you only concerned that Amarals nose must be kept clean?

Joana was murdered.

If you can prove otherwise, do so.

Offline Anna

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #556 on: November 11, 2013, 06:13:26 PM »
Joana was murdered.

If you can prove otherwise, do so.

I believe she was murdered....but by whom I am still unsure and from the little I have read about the evidence and  the mother with no criminal record I find it difficult to believe that she done it. Still very early days for me though
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
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Redblossom

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #557 on: November 11, 2013, 08:51:57 PM »
This has become such a pointless thread.......

No one has the police files on it or any court transcripts...so asking pointless questions about the minute details of the investigation is just that, pointless...... a supreme court decision and all it entailed.....is all we have....and what we have in that Nd in a few other places does NOT point to an innocent couple.....taking my leave....

Keep using the case to try and make the Mccanns seem white and Amaral black though.....after all, that is the whole point innit?
 8((()*/


Just ask yourselves one question.....Leonor gave her confession to the police in the presence of her original lawyer...on a date BEFORE she alledges she wasbeat up by police for it......  you think  he would  as her lawyer would  have reported her being beaten up beforehand? And why would the police beat a confession out when they already had it?

There is so much incriminatory evidence here its no wonder the verdict, was, not just once, but more times  on appeal, no reasonable doubt...whether it was her brother or both of them...they were both involved...in the uk its called joint enterprise......



Offline sadie

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #558 on: November 11, 2013, 09:53:49 PM »
You tell a good story Red.

Now this original Lawyer.  Was he the one who was supposedly picked up by the PJ with drugs in his bag ... as he was going into the jail visiting?

Was he the one who was a close friend of Amarals ?   Now wasn't he at Amatals 50th birthday bash?.  You know the bash where Amaral anf his buddies  came out to watch the firwork display and seeing Marcos Aragao Correira and his previous 'bit on the side' outside in their car, a group set about trying to pull Marcos out of his car

Was this the lawyer that supposedly was taking Amaral on to train him also as a Lawyer?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #559 on: November 11, 2013, 09:56:10 PM »
This has become such a pointless thread.......

No one has the police files on it or any court transcripts...so asking pointless questions about the minute details of the investigation is just that, pointless...... a supreme court decision and all it entailed.....is all we have....and what we have in that Nd in a few other places does NOT point to an innocent couple.....taking my leave....

Keep using the case to try and make the Mccanns seem white and Amaral black though.....after all, that is the whole point innit?
 8((()*/


Just ask yourselves one question.....Leonor gave her confession to the police in the presence of her original lawyer...on a date BEFORE she alledges she wasbeat up by police for it......  you think  he would  as her lawyer would  have reported her being beaten up beforehand? And why would the police beat a confession out when they already had it?
There is so much incriminatory evidence here its no wonder the verdict, was, not just once, but more times  on appeal, no reasonable doubt...whether it was her brother or both of them...they were both involved...in the uk its called joint enterprise......

do you have any evidence to support this..you need to accept she was beaten by the pj

Offline Anna

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #560 on: November 11, 2013, 10:40:28 PM »
I have added a link that you have probably already seen. I was looking for some info on Leona's partner, because a recent description reminded me of him.
 Looks like he sold them out! (Ciprianos)
http://www.algarveresident.com/10046-0/algarve/portugals-silent-child-victims
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
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AnneGuedes

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #561 on: November 11, 2013, 10:50:41 PM »
I feel sorry for this Leonor and her miserable brother, manipulated by a self claimed medium lawyer paid by fishy PIs to discredit an inspector in order to sanctify a British couple !

Offline Anna

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« Reply #562 on: November 11, 2013, 10:59:08 PM »
I feel sorry for this Leonor and her miserable brother, manipulated by a self claimed medium lawyer paid by fishy PIs to discredit an inspector in order to sanctify a British couple !

I agree to a point , Anne,
 If she had the money from a fund, she could have got out too, but I don't feel sorry for the brother
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Benita

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #563 on: November 11, 2013, 11:29:30 PM »
can we keep this thread on topic please  ...and opposing pat stop the name calling and goading ..it makes you look silly and disruptive ...thank you  ?>)()<

Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #564 on: November 12, 2013, 12:08:52 AM »
There is far too much evidence in the Cipriano case for it to be called a miscarriage of justice.  Leonor and her brothers actions following the disappearance are not those of innocent people.  Could it be that the brother had some sort of hold over Leonor and took advantage of that situation??
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

icabodcrane

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #565 on: November 12, 2013, 12:11:12 AM »
I feel sorry for this Leonor and her miserable brother, manipulated by a self claimed medium lawyer paid by fishy PIs to discredit an inspector in order to sanctify a British couple !

I have to disagree Anne

Were this pair merely inadaquate,   (  we have been told that the brother  is below average intelligenec  ) and were it a case of the children involved being  neglected and ill treated as a consequence of that inadequecy,  then I might,  like you,  feel an uneasy compassion for a malfuntioning pair who had been brought up by an abusive  alchoholic father 

But it was  NOT  merely  'inadaquecy'  that these  dreadful siblings were charged with  ...  they were charged  (  and convicted )  of sadisically  beating a child to death 

I have no compassion for such monsters

Offline Angelo222

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #566 on: November 12, 2013, 12:14:55 AM »
It was said I believe by Leandro that the only difference between the Ciprianos and the McCanns was that the McCanns have money.  I'm afraid intelligence is also a major factor.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

icabodcrane

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #567 on: November 12, 2013, 12:32:08 AM »
It was said I believe by Leandro that the only difference between the Ciprianos and the McCanns was that the McCanns have money.  I'm afraid intelligence is also a major factor.


Simple-minded people being brought up in an environment where violence and abuse is part of everyday life is a dangerous combination

The brother being put in prison for four years having accepted money to  'do a murder'  is testiment to that

As is the mother of the murdered child having kids by a number of different men,  and then just abandoning them, like a litter of kittens 

The little girl,  called  'Cinderella'  by locals,  didn't have much of a chance in life from the start   ....  but having that life cut so brutally short is a  very sad thing indeed

icabodcrane

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #568 on: November 12, 2013, 12:48:35 AM »
NO REAL EVIDENCE Icabod.  Just tortured out stuff and the word/imagination of two discredited cops.

You weren't on the Jury sadie  ...  you have no  idea  what  'evidence'  was presented in Court  ... none of us do

What we DO  know,  however,  is that  whatever  that evidence was,  it was sufficient for this appalling couple to have been convicted of the sadistic murder of an eight year old child


Offline sadie

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #569 on: November 12, 2013, 12:56:16 AM »

Simple-minded people being brought up in an environment where violence and abuse is part of everyday life is a dangerous combination

The brother being put in prison for four years having accepted money to  'do a murder'  is testiment to that

As is the mother of the murdered child having kids by a number of different men,  and then just abandoning them, like a litter of kittens 

The little girl,  called  'Cinderella'  by locals,  didn't have much of a chance in life from the start   ....  but having that life cut so brutally short is a  very sad thing indeed

Called Cinderella was she.  Who said that?



Some declarations by neighbours and worthwhile members of the community, posted on here in an earlier thread.


--- Quote from: DCI on June 13, 2013, 08:52:17 PM ---Do you mean these neighbours.

Another witness heard earlier in the process, puts forward new facts through new document who wrote and signed the original of which is annexed to this pleading. These facts once again corroborate the statements above transcribed, and are completely independent of a person who does not have at present any relationship with the procedural subjects, but who at the time lived permanently with the Appellant and her daughter Joana, for when the girl disappeared already lived about 3 months with both in the same house (please note that this witness has also criminal involvement against various elements of the Judicial Police, even against Gonçalo Amaral, the torture of a victim who was also at the time). In fact, Carlos Alberto Pinto da Silva, currently residing at *********************, declares as follows (typos corrected):

"Declaration

I hereby Carlos Alberto Pinto da Silva, a resident of Pond Street Alfredo Keil, No. 12, 8400 Lagoa, I declare on my honor that I have lived with the missing girl Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro, in the same house with his mother Leonor and stepfather Leandro in Figueira , about 3 months and never saw his mother Leonor hitting any of the children, because when I wanted to apply a punishment was always some who never passed for assault. We also declare that the mother Leonor was a calm person and unable to become violent so be it. So believe in the declaration of innocence of Mother Leonor.

Pond June 5, 2009

Carlos Alberto Pinto da Silva. "

Another important witness corroborates: the last person that was guaranteed with Joan in public, then manager of Café Celia, where the girl was doing their last minute shopping before disappearing. Ophelia Maria Santos Glory Zeverino, residing in *****************Portimão, knew well the child and his family, not only because these are their regular customers, but also to be nearby them and also for their younger daughter named Rachel, being a good friend of Joan, and both almost the same age and playing almost every day with one another. In the original document here attached hereto, Ophelia Santos stated the following:

"Declaration

I hereby Ophelia Maria Santos Glory Zeverino, residing in District Che Lot No. 14 Figueira - Portimão, hereby declare that I who received the missing girl Joana Isabel Cipriano Guerreiro Café "Celia" in the evening when she disappeared in September 12, 2004. He was also a neighbor of the girl, and declare that never saw the mother of Joana Maria Leonor Cipriano Sunday, beating his daughter. And I can also declare by also be true that the same girl Joana's mother always said well, even defending it in all circumstances.

Figueira June 2, 2009

Ophelia Maria Santos Zeverino Glory. "
 

We reached the largest adult friend of Joan. At the time owned the only supermarket Figueira ("Alisuper"), Nidia was Rochato the person outside the family of Joan helped more than this child, offering him food, clothes, toys, taking her to the doctor, etc.., etc.., in short, doing the job that it was for the state: to help the needy. But as the state does not socorria Joana nor his family, a kind heart and selfless moved and deleted so many difficulties with the struggling family. Perfectly cognizant of the child and their closest relatives, the Kings Rochato Nidia Maria, residing at Rua ******************Portimão, puts forward new facts through new document he wrote and signed, which original is attached to this pleading, and where you can read:

"Declaration

I hereby Nidia Maria dos Reis Rochato carrier BI No. 8641202 issued on 18/05/2005 Lisbon Street resident on April 25 Lot # *******************Portimão, hereby declare that the well-known missing girl Joana Isabel Cipriano Warrior, who I was very friendly, but also knew well his mother Leonor Cipriano Maria Domingos, so I can attest that the mother Leonor never knocked on her daughter Joan in my presence never heard that he had done so. I also declare that Joana Cipriano always well said the mother Leonor and always defended in all circumstances.
Figueira 02-June-2009

Nidia Rochato ".


You have seen the photographs of a very happy, bright, well nourished little girl.  One who is always neatly and cleanly dressed, who has her hair cut and washed regularly, who obviously loves her Mother and Leandro it seems.  She dearly loves her siblings from other photos I have and lives in a simple, but clean looking, home

You have read the declararations above.

You must know the Court case was totallly unsafe.

Why dont you give over ?  You are sounding unthinking, vindictive and very nasty




just whyare you so anxious to keep a couple of people who are probably innocent in jail ?

Why are you so keen to poopoo any chance that Joana is still alive ?



This vindictiveness and determination not to be fair.  For that there has to be a reason


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