The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!

[Mr Gray]

 

and were there any changes to the determination of torture by the pj?...NO what you have quoted is a newspaper report

[icabodcrane]

and were there any changes to the determination of torture by the pj?...NO what you have quoted is a newspaper report

Joana Cipriano's   mother  was beaten  ...  of that there is little doubt

Since the injuries she suffered happened while she was in a police station there is every possibility that she suffered them at the hands of police officers

That is an awful image ...  a woman being hit by men

Awful  enough,  I think,  without the dramatic language constantly introduced   ...  as though being  'beaten'  is not sufficiently gruesome

'Torture'  is the word thrown up, time and again  (  often in bold or coloured font ...  to add emphasis ) 

Well,  maybe it's just me,  but 'torture'  conjures up images of some  God forsaken dungeon, with the rack, and thumbscrews,  and   ...  well,  you get the picture

It appears to me that the  almost gleeful over-egging of this particular pudding is very much agenda driven

[Redblossom]

Joana Cipriano's   mother  was beaten  ...  of that there is little doubt

Since the injuries she suffered happened while she was in a police station there is every possibility that she suffered them at the hands of police officers

That is an awful image ...  a woman being hit by men

Awful  enough,  I think,  without the dramatic language constantly introduced   ...  as though being  'beaten'  is not sufficiently gruesome

'Torture'  is the word thrown up, time and again  (  often in bold or coloured font ...  to add emphasis ) 

Well,  maybe it's just me,  but 'torture'  conjures up images of some  God forsaken dungeon, with the rack, and thumbscrews,  and   ...  well,  you get the picture

It appears to me that the  almost gleeful over-egging of this particular pudding is very much agenda driven

Theres also the possibility a few officers slapped her around but she got mJority of her injuries when sent back to prison...she had already confessed a day or two before the beatings......

[sadie]

Actually you can compare the two, cipriano and the mother of Cayley. They both said they were victims of sexual abuse and that is why they behaved as they did etc....

There is more in common with LC and CA then McCanns case in my mind to be honest.

Whether any of it is true is a different matter both used the same defence and all of it was circumstancial but both admitted to a lesser charge of death by accident etc......

Leonora stated the child fell after she slapped her and hit her head.
CA said the child drowned.

Like i said quite a few comparisons sadly both children died....

Sick old world isnt it.

Would you care to provide the proof for your statement that Leonor Cipriano was abused herself , please   
Do not quote words said after the torture please, cos they cannot be trusted as true. 
Do not quote words that Amaral has said, because they cannot be trusted as true either.  Amaral is a court proven liar.
Do not quote words from the Court Records either because they cannot be trusted.  The words in that record were provided by tortured out people, who broke ..... or by a PJ Officer who sadly is proven as a liar with a criminal record.  An officer who for whatever reason wanted the case "solved" with Leoner and Joaom as the fall guys.

He obviously had no case and that is why he brought the hard boys in .  THe DCCB from Lisnbon , the anti terrorist group.  He knew that he would get a "confession" after the severe beating administerd.

[sadie]

Some photos of Leonors torture injuries

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/leonorexpressopics2.jpg

 

Full face .  One eye closed.



http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/leonorexpressopics3.jpg

 

side face looking at the left eye and cheek



http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/leonorexpressopics4.jpg



3/4 side face looking at right eye and cheek


The damage to her head was so bad that the blood ran down above and  into her eyes.

She was blinded for a month

[sadie]

Really?

How do you open drawers in a chest type freezer?

Well spotted DCI 

Yep how do you open the drawers in a chest Freezer?

[sadie]

Outrageously the main torture photographs ofv Leonors bbody have been wiped off the internet.  Or at least the links have been cut. 

Now I wonder who would do that?  And why?  There has to be a reason


But some smaller photos, which are much less horendous but show some of the bruising.

I got these from Joana Morias. 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VBoOuOIBFiM/SS-vMgCI6TI/AAAAAAAAA3w/ZlQgPSB55BM/s200/lesions2.jpg




http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VBoOuOIBFiM/SS-vGwOvr0I/AAAAAAAAA3o/pRRMfha1xJg/s200/lesions1.jpg





Oh ... and at the same time as she was being beaten Leonor was further tortured by being made to kneel on glass ashtrays

[Benita]

you don't get these falling down the stairs ... 8-)(--)

[Lyall]

You need help for this obsession guys. Go and make a website and campaign for her if you're so sure of your facts. That might be useful, but it doesn't help her posting the same things day after day here.

And it's got nothing to do with what happened on May 3 2007 to Madeleine.

[Benita]

This thread is about the Leonor Cipriano case. So on topic.

 

[AnneGuedes]

You need help for this obsession guys. Go and make a website and campaign for her if you're so sure of your facts. That might be useful, but it doesn't help her posting the same things day after day here.

And it's got nothing to do with what happened on May 3 2007 to Madeleine.

Quite 

[sadie]

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/leonorexpressopics.jpg



6 individual pictures of Leonors torture.   Please slide te slider along to see them all.

They make a pretty picture, dont they?

And a gang of brutal men, seemingly from the DCCB inflicted this on a defenseless woman.

Why?  Well the only reason I can think of is that Amaral and Cristavao didn't truly know who "dunit" and decided to fit the mother and uncle up.    They hadn't got a case against Leonor and Joao .... but they knew both would "confess" to anything if the torture was brutal enough.  Only my opinion, but why was torture needed if they had a evidence of any sort against the couple.   Why call in the brutal boys?

So they got two "confessions" and plenty of so called "evidence", cos they called the big boys in from Lisbon.  The DCCB, the anti terrorist mob.


They called the big boys in to take on a defenceless woman and man.  To beat the Cr** out of them and force them to say whatever Amaral and Co wanted them to say.   

They even knocked Leandro about to force him to tell lies and be a "witness".  He soon rescinded when he was able to and warned the Mccanns of the Police modus operandi and dangers to Kate especially. 


That this case ever reached Court is the biggest unjustice that I have ever known.

As far as Justice is concerned this case should never have taken place.

[Lyall]

This thread is about the Leonor Cipriano case. So on topic.

But nobody's going to see it here. If you care about her case start a campaign, start a website. Do something about it, but just telling each other how awful it is all day here doesn't help her one little bit. Does it?

[Benita]

You need help for this obsession guys. Go and make a website and campaign for her if you're so sure of your facts. That might be useful, but it doesn't help her posting the same things day after day here.

And it's got nothing to do with what happened on May 3 2007 to Madeleine.

err no one is forcing you to read ...go put your oar in somewhere else then ...if you don't like it 

[Lyall]

By doing all this posting of pictures and being upset exclusively here your concern isn't really about Leonor Cipriano is it. It's really about smearing the Portuguese police on a site where people come to read about the McCann case.