The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!

[Benita]

But nobody's going to see it here. If you care about her case start a campaign, start a website. Do something about it, but just telling each other how awful it is all day here doesn't help her one little bit. Does it?

hold on a minute ...how about you do the same ...just telling each other the mccanns are guilty on here all day doesn't help madeleine  one little bit ...does it!! 

[sadie]

You need help for this obsession guys. Go and make a website and campaign for her if you're so sure of your facts. That might be useful, but it doesn't help her posting the same things day after day here.

And it's got nothing to do with what happened on May 3 2007 to Madeleine.

Well seems you have buried you head so deeply in the sand that you cant see the likely relevance of three fair haired little girls vanishing from an area no more than about 18 miles across in a period of less than 3 years

Joana C, Carolina S and Madeleine M

 ... and not a single other child in the under 15 age group stranger abducted in the length and breadth of PT.  PT is roughly 2/3rds the size of England



Luckily SY had sharper brains than yours, Lyall, and came back to me about these abdiuctions and the sightings.

[Lyall]

Well seems you have buried you head so deeply in the sand that you cant see the likely relevance of three fair haired little girls vanishing from an area no more than about 18 miles across in a period of less than 3 years

Joana C, Carolina S and Madeleine M

 ... and not a single other child in the under 15 age group stranger abducted in the length and breadth of PT.  PT is roughly 2/3rds the size of England

Luckily SY had sharper brains than your, Lyall, and came back to me about these abdiuctions and the sightings.

I keep asking you why the UK press won't touch this theory of yours. You never answer.

Even the Express won't touch it. That should tell you something.

[Lyall]

We are commentating on here because some of us think it raises her profile.
Not a bad thing in my opinion.

Build a website then, it would do that much, much more. Talk to Mark Williams-Thomas on twitter. Ask him if he still thinks the same now as he did in 2007. I doubt it. And apart from him I don't think anyone else has really ever touched it... apart from you guys.

[carlymichelle]

Build a website then, it would do that much, much more. Talk to Mark Williams-Thomas on twitter. Ask him if he still thinks the same now as he did in 2007. I doubt it. And apart from him I don't think anyone else has really ever touched it... apart from you guys.

them  going on and on about this diverts attention from the mcanns imo and thats what they want 

[Benita]

the only people mad at us for speaking the truth .....are those who are living a lie .... keep speaking it ...

[Benita]

them  going on and on about this diverts attention from the mcanns imo and thats what they want

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[Benita]

We have a thread for Leonora Cipriano Carly.

It's not about McCann bashing so back off.

well said 

[Lyall]

One day you might start a thread to criticise someone who isn't Portuguese.

Omg. Steady now.

[Benita]

One day you might start a thread to criticise someone who isn't Portuguese.

Omg. Steady now.

no lyall you steady now ...you do this to the mccanns day after day ...think about it  >@@(*&)

[sadie]

By doing all this posting of pictures and being upset exclusively here your concern isn't really about Leonor Cipriano is it. It's really about smearing the Portuguese police on a site where people come to read about the McCann case.

I am equally concerned for Madeleine and Joana ... and also for the other missing children of PT


In the 1990's and roughly every 2 years a child vanished.

-  Jorge Sepulveda up in Porto
-  Claudia Silva e Sousa about 32 miles north of Porto in Vila Verde Braga
-  Rui Pedro Mendonca at Lousada , Porto
-  Rui Perreira at Vila Nova De Famalicao Braga, near Porto

All the above in a small group no more than about 32 miles across. 
And NO other abductions in the whole of PT except for

-   Rene Hasse, about 280 miles south of the Northern abductionsm, and about 18 miles away from PdL on the western Atlantic Coast of the Algarve at Amoreiras Beach, Aljezur


Did this elite have a holiday home near PdL ?

About 5 years ago, according to a forum that I read a man was picked up [and IIRC charged] after these Porto region abductions, by the PJ in the North.  He was the son of an Elite and was released with just a warning.  At that stage the Northern abductions stopped.  Previously there had been one approx every 18 months - 2 years

There was a gap of 5 years, with no abductions on mainland PT.
About 5 years later, they started up again, this time in the South.  Joana Cipriano appears to have been his next victim on mainland PT, in Sept 2004, followed by Carolina S and Madeleine M.

[sadie]

I keep asking you why the UK press won't touch this theory of yours. You never answer.

Even the Express won't touch it. That should tell you something.

I am not after publicity.  In fact I would run away from it.

This is not a theory per se, Lyall, it is FACT


All these kids vanished (Caralina thankfully was rescued from the man who took her) and I would have thought that you might have found it in yourself to show concern rather than make snide remarks.


Where is your humanity?

[sadie]

One day you might start a thread to criticise someone who isn't Portuguese.

Omg. Steady now.

Lyall, I love PT and the PT peeps and have visted PT  8 -10 times, covering most of the Country.  I would like to see more.

BUT I cannot condone miscarriages of Justice such as the Leonor Cipriano and Joao ones ... and lets not forget Joana in all this.  She wasn't properly searched for becos like in the Madeleine case, decisions were made too soon.

If you can condone these Miscarriages, then you are showing how far back you are left in the Fascist regime.  Time to wake up and smell whats been going on .... and it is not a nice smell .


Now I wish you goodnight 

[Mr Gray]

Joana Cipriano's   mother  was beaten  ...  of that there is little doubt

Since the injuries she suffered happened while she was in a police station there is every possibility that she suffered them at the hands of police officers

That is an awful image ...  a woman being hit by men

Awful  enough,  I think,  without the dramatic language constantly introduced   ...  as though being  'beaten'  is not sufficiently gruesome

'Torture'  is the word thrown up, time and again  (  often in bold or coloured font ...  to add emphasis ) 

Well,  maybe it's just me,  but 'torture'  conjures up images of some  God forsaken dungeon, with the rack, and thumbscrews,  and   ...  well,  you get the picture

It appears to me that the  almost gleeful over-egging of this particular pudding is very much agenda driven

 The word torture with regards to Leonor  is from the Amnesty website..if you don't like its use or think its unfair contact Amnesty

[Redblossom]

I am equally concerned for Madeleine and Joana ... and also for the other missing children of PT


In the 1990's and roughly every 2 years a child vanished.

-  Jorge Sepulveda up in Porto
-  Claudia Silva e Sousa about 32 miles north of Porto in Vila Verde Braga
 - Rui Pedro Mendoca at Lousada , Porto
-  Rui Perreira at Vila Nova De Famalicao Braga, near Porto

All the above in a small group no more than about 32c miles across. 
And NO other abductions inn the whole of PT except for

-   Rene Hasse about 18 miles away from PdL on the western Atlantic Coast of the Algarve at Amoreiras Beach, Aljezur


Did this elite have a holiday home near PdL ?


According to a forum that I read about 5 years ago a man was picked up [and IIRC charged] by the PJ in the North.  He was the son of an Elite and was released with just a warning.

There was a gap of 5 years, then after that with no abductions on mainland PT, about 5 years later, they started up again,  This time in the South.  Joana Cipriano appears to have been his next victim in Sept 2004, followed by Carolina S and Madeleine M

A scruffy drunk Moroccn street seller got into a fight with Carolinas father who owned a nearby cafe in late May 2007 and he threatened to take her.....doesnt sound like the son of an elite, does he?