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Offline Miro

The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« on: November 01, 2013, 09:13:30 PM »
"Blood

There is also the evidence of a "partial footwear mark" found just outside Madeleine's bedroom which had traces of blood in it visible to the naked eye, according to a forensics report. "

Can someone kindly point me to this and the evidence please............ its from a tabloid paper so I need to read something more exacting...............
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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2013, 11:06:25 AM »
I've not heard of this before. I've read the FSS report in depth in the past and come across a reference, I've just skimmed through it again and can't see anything.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

Google came up with a lot of newspaper article about it, some quite in depth that look convincing. I can't imagine why the FSS report wouldn't mention it though?

Maybe someone else will have more info.

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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2013, 11:24:14 AM »
I've not heard of this before. I've read the FSS report in depth in the past and come across a reference, I've just skimmed through it again and can't see anything.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm

Google came up with a lot of newspaper article about it, some quite in depth that look convincing. I can't imagine why the FSS report wouldn't mention it though?

Maybe someone else will have more info.

Purely from memory, but weren't the  'bloody' footprints claimed to be found at some stage, turn out to be partial footprints made in the fingerprinting powder that was on the floor.    Just a suggestion.   I don't claim to know whether that's true or not.    Perhaps someone else will remember.
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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2013, 11:36:19 AM »
Purely from memory, but weren't the  'bloody' footprints claimed to be found at some stage, turn out to be partial footprints made in the fingerprinting powder that was on the floor.    Just a suggestion.   I don't claim to know whether that's true or not.    Perhaps someone else will remember.

Maybe I was looking in the wrong place then as the Portuguese forensic lab did the initial tests. I do recall that there were so many footprints that they couldn't really make head nor tail of them.

nitially the search began for latent shoe-prints it being verified that dozens existed on the floor, in the various rooms of the apartment, which invalidated the attempt of identifying those of the perpetrator. Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints,

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

Offline Carana

Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2013, 12:24:35 PM »
I have never found anything in the files concerning a bloody footprint outside the window. The most plausible explanation, in my view, is that some tabloid journalist noted what might well have appeared to be one, but in reality may well have been the forensic lady's footprint stepping in the red powder.

I have never seen anything in the files about cigarette ash in the apartment, either. I suspect that that's another media myth.

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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2013, 12:27:03 PM »
"Blood

There is also the evidence of a "partial footwear mark" found just outside Madeleine's bedroom which had traces of blood in it visible to the naked eye, according to a forensics report. "

Can someone kindly point me to this and the evidence please............ its from a tabloid paper so I need to read something more exacting...............

Never was there a bloody foot print mentioned.....If you have any factual information that is not in the PJ files we would appreciate to be informed.

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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2013, 12:28:13 PM »
I suspect that that's another media myth.
This thread is based on a tabloid which isn't even quoted.. Why ?

Offline Miro

Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2013, 02:11:16 PM »
Think tabloid was News of The World or similar, seems no evidence of such............case closed on that for me...............

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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2013, 03:11:12 PM »
Think tabloid was News of The World or similar, seems no evidence of such............case closed on that for me...............

It was the Mail, Miro. Can't find theirs but its mentioned here.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleine-bloody-footprint-found-in-mccanns-apartment-6642364.html


Then began the detailed observation of the apartment interior ending with the search and recovery of forensic trace material relevant to the present examination.
Initially the search began for latent shoe-prints it being verified that dozens existed on the floor, in the various rooms of the apartment, which invalidated the attempt of identifying those of the perpetrator. Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm
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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2013, 06:36:13 PM »
Total fabricated nonsense,IMO, akin to the story of the bag of clothes found near the airport and being sent to the FSS and having found a moderate match to Madeleines DNA!!

Whats next, the washed curtains? Or missing shower curtain from the Mccanns apartment, which didnt exist at all in the first place?

Miro from which site are you reading this stuff?




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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2013, 07:11:26 PM »
Total fabricated nonsense,IMO, akin to the story of the bag of clothes found near the airport and being sent to the FSS and having found a moderate match to Madeleines DNA!!

Whats next, the washed curtains? Or missing shower curtain from the Mccanns apartment, which didnt exist at all in the first place?

Miro from which site are you reading this stuff?

That's one I'm interested in! I'm assuming it's a myth as I can't find anything official about it at all, but it's been stated as fact so often I didn't like to ask....

I take it it is a myth?

My experience of the Mccann case is that if you have to spend as long unlearning the myths as you do reading the facts!

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2013, 07:16:31 PM »
I wonder why Gerry's fingerprints were not lifted from the window, when he closed it?.
 
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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2013, 07:21:26 PM »
That's one I'm interested in! I'm assuming it's a myth as I can't find anything official about it at all, but it's been stated as fact so often I didn't like to ask....

I take it it is a myth?

My experience of the Mccann case is that if you have to spend as long unlearning the myths as you do reading the facts!

Yes, unfortunately at the beginning of the case, there was NO NEWS about the case....ie facts.... vaccum there was reaponsible for alot of rumours...not all false mind you, but alot of them.....test is if there is any solidity to them apart from the person starting them......

Re the washed curtains...when was is supposed to have been done? Actually, dont even go there lol

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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2013, 07:25:06 PM »
I wonder why Gerry's fingerprints were not lifted from the window, when he closed it?.

Perhaps he didnt....Kate had already closed it? perhaps he closed it using a piece of fabric so as not to contaminate any evidence?
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Re: The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window.
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2013, 07:37:25 PM »
Perhaps he didnt....Kate had already closed it? perhaps he closed it using a piece of fabric so as not to contaminate any evidence?
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