Prosecution evidence?

[Anna]

The more I look at the facts in this case the more convinced I am that Leonor was involved.  Joao even stated in his statement that he wanted to call for medical assistance for the child but Leonor wouldn't do it.  Ask yourself who on earth would make up such a thing unless they were trying to protect their own position.

And who on earth would drag the police around scrap yards, dumps, rivers, drainage canals and heavens know where else for over a dozen days in a row on some sort of wild goose chase if they were innocent??

Where did you see that about medical assistance ? Angelo

[Mr Gray]

The more I look at the facts in this case the more convinced I am that Leonor was involved.  Joao even stated in his statement that he wanted to call for medical assistance for the child but Leonor wouldn't do it.  Ask yourself who on earth would make up such a thing unless they were trying to protect their own position.

And who on earth would drag the police around scrap yards, dumps, rivers, drainage canals and heavens know where else for over a dozen days in a row on some sort of wild goose chase if they were innocent??

 the more you look at the facts?...but they aren't facts...it could well be that most of the so called facts you believe are lies by the pj to support their case...that's why I keep asking you for the source of your facts...it seems most are from the Portuguese equivalent of the SUN  newspaper.
the more I see the lack of facts and the pathetic attempt to prove the case the more I see a miscarriage of justice


So where does the story highlighted in red come from

[stephen25000]

the more you look at the facts?...but they aren't facts...it could well be that most of the so called facts you believe are lies by the pj to support their case...that's why I keep asking you for the source of your facts...it seems most are from the Portuguese equivalent of the SUN  newspaper.
the more I see the lack of facts and the pathetic attempt to prove the case the more I see a miscarriage of justice


So where does the story highlighted in red come from

You omit of course, that it is you are deluded in thinking the Cipriano's are innocent. >@@(*&)

[Mr Gray]

You omit of course, that it is you are deluded in thinking the Cipriano's are innocent. >@@(*&)

 That's an opinion Stephen and as you have tried to insult me I think I can say an opinion from someone who isn't very bright

[Redblossom]

http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/translation-of-leonor-ciprianos.html

In her own writing as well, was she being tortured in 2009 when she wrote this?????

Ignoring  this answer to your question  for any particular reason davel????

[stephen25000]

That's an opinion Stephen and as you have tried to insult me I think I can say an opinion from someone who isn't very bright

Oh dear, insults fly again about levels of intelligence davel.

Again a classic sign of losing the argument.

Never expected  that from you. 

[Redblossom]

Oh dear, insults fly again about levels of intelligence davel.

Again a classic sign of losing the argument.

Never expected  that from you. 

Davel is qualified and always right in calling people stupid etc etc

[Mr Gray]

Oh dear, insults fly again about levels of intelligence davel.

Again a classic sign of losing the argument.

Never expected  that from you. 

 you don't even notice it was you who started the insults. You bring nothing to the debate just personal insults ..read your own post..if you have nothing to offer it would be best not to post

[Mr Gray]

Ignoring  this answer to your question  for any particular reason davel????

yes because I have already answered the same question from you on another thread. You have obviously forgotten

[Redblossom]

yes because I have already answered the same question from you on another thread. You have obviously forgotten

You must be confused, i didnt ask a question YOU asked me one..in the latest part of the discourse.....i  supplied you with the answer....read back dear instead of obfuscating... I await your answer to the question which was...was leonor being tortured when she gave her 2009 confession, the link which i gave to too cheers

[stephen25000]

you don't even notice it was you who started the insults. You bring nothing to the debate just personal insults ..read your own post..if you have nothing to offer it would be best not to post

Saying you are deluded as regards this case is hardly an insult.

You have repeatedly insulted me over a period of months, but you adopt the classic mccann supporter mantra of of accusing others when you partake in insults galore.

[stephen25000]

Davel is qualified and always right in calling people stupid etc etc

Naturally.

How could we consider otherwise.

[Redblossom]

Naturally.

How could we consider otherwise.

Its quite pathetic all in all......not as if he exhibits any remote sign of einstein dna.....even he likes to think  so lolol
 

[stephen25000]

I want to hear davel, some cold hard FACTS, why the Cipriano's are innocent ?

No rhetoric please.

[Mr Gray]

I want to hear davel, some cold hard FACTS, why the Cipriano's are innocent ?

No rhetoric please.

Fact...no one has to prove innocence..you have got it back to front

There is no decent evidence against them to prove guilt..the only real fact we have is that Leonor was savagely tortured by the pj