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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #150 on: November 23, 2013, 05:37:06 PM »
Why would I waste my time...Im not really that interested if at all, youre the one posting inanities like calpol does not help pain, is not pain relief....so why is it on the market as pain relief/analgesic? As I said never mind....

Where have I said that?

I quite clearly state that it is an analgesic.
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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #151 on: November 23, 2013, 05:40:01 PM »
Let's try to debunk this, so doctors state that they are painkillers and are effective in pain relief (i.e. they assuage pain) BUT your professional opinion is that they don't !

Doctors never use the term "assuage pain"

I agree with the Professor above- Paracetamol has no sedative effect.
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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #152 on: November 23, 2013, 05:45:50 PM »
Pseudo - intellectual Bull

That's certainly what those perpetuating the myth that calpol is a sedative are guilty of.

And burying the myth matters in respect of Madeleine, because the McCanns had calpol with them on that holiday, and firmly squashing the canard that the McCanns 'sedated' Madeleine is important.

Is there any proof that they didn't sedate her?
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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #153 on: November 23, 2013, 05:46:41 PM »
Why would I waste my time...Im not really that interested if at all, youre the one posting inanities like calpol does not help pain, is not pain relief....so why is it on the market as pain relief/analgesic? As I said never mind....

Pain is a process:

"Pain is an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience associated with actual or potential tissue damage, or described in terms of such damage."

Calpol does reduce pain, just not within the Nervous system , but by chemical effect on prostaglandins in the tissue around the NS.

Rather than dousing a fire by the application of water, it stops it by cutting off the fuel.

If there are prostaglandins in the tissue, they will attach to pain receptors and pain signals will be sent. Paracetamol chemically changes the prostaglandins which stops them attaching to the pain receptors and stops signals being sent without actually intervening in the NS. On the other hand, analgesics attach to the neurons and block the prostaglandins attaching. This affects the neurons which is why opioids may be addictive and sedative whereas paracetamol is not!
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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #154 on: November 23, 2013, 05:46:56 PM »
Is there any proof that they didn't sedate her?

There is no proof that Martians don't live on Mars ...

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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #155 on: November 23, 2013, 05:49:34 PM »
That's a very widespread observation to come out with, can you provide a citation for that claim ?

In my wide experience of Medicine I have never heard the term used.

Google supports that hypothesis.

The top five pages mainly refer to dictionary definitions and political or non-medical usage.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Assuage+pain%22&rlz=1C1CHFX_enGB517GB517&oq=%22Assuage+pain%22&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.5723j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=122&espv=210&q=%22Assuage+pain%22&start=40
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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #156 on: November 23, 2013, 05:49:59 PM »
There is no misconception ! There is in fact a straightforward dictionary definition of the word 'sedative' !

Which is:

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Edited to add- see my note above about dictionaries being descriptive, not proscriptive!
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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #157 on: November 23, 2013, 05:51:19 PM »
Is there any proof that they didn't sedate her?
No
But KM did have her twins tested five months later to prove they werent....
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But in those first few days never did anything about getting them to hospital to get checked out...for drugs or anythng else....after being so worried they wouldnt wake up and kept checking them for signs of life!!!! ...I suppose she did her own "knowledge" as a GP!




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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #158 on: November 23, 2013, 05:54:02 PM »
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But KM did have her twins tested five months later to prove they werent....
 >@@(*&)

But in those first few days never did anything about getting them to hospital to get checked out...for drugs or anythng else....after being so worried they wouldnt wake up and kept checking them for signs of life!!!! ...I suppose she did her own "knowledge" as a GP!

Shortly after they had been first accused (by convicted torturer Tavares Almeidas) of sedating the children.

Before that the question (accusation) never arose.

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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #159 on: November 23, 2013, 05:55:01 PM »
Is it really necessary to deviate from the subject:

Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #160 on: November 23, 2013, 05:58:46 PM »
Shortly after they had been first accused (by convicted torturer Tavares Almeidas) of sedating the children.

Before that the question (accusation) never arose.

i dont know if that is true but my point was about not getting the kids tested at the time they thought they may have been  by a stranger!

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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #161 on: November 23, 2013, 06:00:18 PM »
Is it really necessary to deviate from the subject:

Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?

The question has been comprehensively answered.

It wasn't then.

It isn't now.

The formula has not been changed.

But maximum prescribed doses have been lowered (not on grounds of safety)

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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #162 on: November 23, 2013, 06:00:49 PM »
Hallelujah, so Calpol does in effect reduce pain ergo it assuages the feeling of pain ergo may be referred to as a sedative !

No.

Sedatives affect the Central Nervous System and reduce stimulation there. Paracetamol does not affect the CNS in this manner and hence is not a sedative. No Medically trained person would call Paracetamol a Sedative. The Professor above denies it. Dictionaries do not say what things mean but how words are used.

Paracetamol is not a sedative.

Produce one cite for it being a sedative.
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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #163 on: November 23, 2013, 06:02:44 PM »
I have checked an academic database.

"Assuage Pain" only appears in papers that are fringe medicine, historical summaries or discussing psychic rather than physical pain."

So there is no evidence of Medics using the term when talking about modern analgesia.
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Re: Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?
« Reply #164 on: November 23, 2013, 06:03:54 PM »
Hallelujah, so Calpol does in effect reduce pain ergo it assuages the feeling of pain ergo may be referred to as a sedative !

No more than dousing alkalised skin with vinegar makes it a sedative.
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