Was Calpol in 2007 really a sedative?

[Rogerandout]

Andrew Marr has just broadcast several John Cleese's sketches. The last one explains Opposing Pat's method of argument

"That's not argument, that's just contradiction"

"No it isn't!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

[Rogerandout]

I love you guys. The above quote was my favourite but it was a close call. There's nothing better than a good belly laugh on a Sunday morning 

I humbly request that the title of the tread is changed to something like "does Calpol cause drowsiness" cause we have an almost unanimous agreement that it doesn't.

Red, do you , or does anyone else for that matter , have any theories on why the Mccanns waited 5 months before testing the twins for drugs?

I can't think of a logical reason myself....

Why would you have toxicology tests done. What would be the rationale as parents. I can see why the police might ( maybe should have) done it, but what would the parents gain. It would only anyway identify possible sedatives with short serum half lives- many sedatives have a fifty per cent removal at first pass and would be undetectable by normal laboratories even after only 24 hours.

Edited to add- if sedation was by inhalation the residual signs would probably be even less detectable.

[Cariad]

Why would you have toxicology tests done. What would be the rationale as parents. I can see why the police might ( maybe should have) done it, but what would the parents gain. It would only anyway identify possible sedatives with short serum half lives- many sedatives have a fifty per cent removal at first pass and would be undetectable by normal laboratories even after only 24 hours.

Edited to add- if sedation was by inhalation the residual signs would probably be even less detectable.

The youtube linky isn't working 

I don't see why the parents would have the tests done at that late stage. I guess they wanted  answers, but the longer they left it, the less likely they would be to get them. Either get it done straight away, or don't bother. I think that had my children been in that situation, I may well have taken them to a hospital to be checked out.

Then again, I'm not medically trained, nor have I experienced that kind of trauma so I can't really put myself in their position....

[Rogerandout]

The youtube linky isn't working 

I don't see why the parents would have the tests done at that late stage. I guess they wanted  answers, but the longer they left it, the less likely they would be to get them. Either get it done straight away, or don't bother. I think that had my children been in that situation, I may well have taken them to a hospital to be checked out.

Then again, I'm not medically trained, nor have I experienced that kind of trauma so I can't really put myself in their position....

The point is that the doctors at the hospital would do little more than the doctors themselves.

[Mr Gray]

I think,  had you seen it, reply 241 in its original form would have been your favourite, Cariad - "So we have a pharmacist and a seditionist(that's just part of what I do) but pat and google think they know better" (look up sedition if you do know it and you can see how appropriate it was!) but davel changed it to sedationist a couple of minutes later

 It doesnt surprise me that you have nothing intelligent to add to the debate apart from pointing out a spelling mistake... I see lots and lots of spelling and grammar mistakes on here but don't feel I need to correct posters. if you have nothing relevant to add I suggest you cease posting and let the thread stay on topic

[CPN]

It doesnt surprise me that you have nothing intelligent to add to the debate apart from pointing out a spelling mistake... I see lots and lots of spelling and grammar mistakes on here but don't feel I need to correct posters. if you have nothing relevant to add I suggest you cease posting and let the thread stay on topic

davel, please - get a sense of humour!  I myself made a mistake in that posting you have quoted.   I just found your mistake very funny

As to not posting here - as far as I am aware you are not an admin.  If / when John asks me to stop posting, I will

As to contributing nothing on this thread - I don't know enough about it so, yes, have not contributed here.  But do contribute where I feel I do know / have experience of what I am talking about

[Mr Gray]

davel, please - get a sense of humour!  I myself made a mistake in that posting you have quoted.   I just found your mistake very funny

As to not posting here - as far as I am aware you are not an admin.  If / when John asks me to stop posting, I will

As to contributing nothing on this thread - I don't know enough about it so, yes, have not contributed here.  But do contribute where I feel I do know / have experience of what I am talking about

 oh..and theres  me thinking you are just a silly old fool

[CPN]

oh..and theres  me thinking you are just a silly old fool

Old - yes.  A fool - no.  Why resort to insults again?

[Mr Gray]

Good morning CPN, it's very simple, Calpol can be referred to as a sedative as per the Oxford English dictionary definition of the word sedative (we've had a pharmacist confirm that it calms pain) HOWEVER it doesn't cause drowsiness or induce sleep.

 Wheres the defn from the OED

[Mr Gray]

Old - yes.  A fool - no.  Why resort to insults again?

Wheres your sense of humour.. I was joking

[CPN]

Good morning CPN, it's very simple, Calpol can be referred to as a sedative as per the Oxford English dictionary definition of the word sedative (we've had a pharmacist confirm that it calms pain) HOWEVER it doesn't cause drowsiness or induce sleep.

Thanks, OPat, but to be honest I do not want to join in the argument here, and would not claim to be an expert on anything to do with it.  I've just been reading as the arguments progressed.  There is a lot I don't know about the case and at least I am honest enough to admit that and not pretend I know everything.  I contribute on what I know.  But I do object to being called a silly old fool....!! not acceptable IMO

[Rogerandout]

Good morning CPN, it's very simple, Calpol can be referred to as a sedative as per the Oxford English dictionary definition of the word sedative (we've had a pharmacist confirm that it calms pain) HOWEVER it doesn't cause drowsiness or induce sleep.

Sedatives necessarily cause drowsiness.

Calpol is NOT a sedative but is an analgesic.

Still misunderstanding.

[CPN]

Wheres your sense of humour.. I was joking

The problem is you have called people that far too many times in the past for it to seem like your sense of humour - either that or it is a warped SOH.  I am NOT continuing this and shall not reply further

[Mr Gray]

The problem is you have called people that far too many times in the past for it to seem like your sense of humour - either that or it is a warped SOH.  I am NOT continuing this and shall not reply further

Thank heavens

[colombosstogey]

Good morning CPN, it's very simple, Calpol can be referred to as a sedative as per the Oxford English dictionary definition of the word sedative (we've had a pharmacist confirm that it calms pain) HOWEVER it doesn't cause drowsiness or induce sleep.

LOL, 21 pages woo hoo. And Maddy is still......................................

M.I.S.S.I.N.G .... now aint that the truth.

You go Pat I love your posts. 

I would have thought to get a child to sleep deeply you would need to use something other then Calpol. There are things on the market you can even buy without prescription that will make children sleep.

Just because someone showed the police a bottle of Calpol doesnt mean they didnt have other meds to hand.

The fact the children were SOUND asleep when they were the night before WIDE AWAKE and crying makes me wonder sometimes.  Were ALL the children chlorformed by the Perb....who knows...no tests were done on the surviving 2 children to ensure they were safe.

But perhaps they were just exhausted from crying for over 1.5 for their parents....the night before.

So should we do poll lol. Is Calpol a sedative.....

The only reason why this thread is in existance is because Amaral mentioned it in his book, naughty man lol.