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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #135 on: December 04, 2013, 01:22:54 PM »
New hair DNA results could be a major break through. As it stands it's farcical.

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I received [obtained] information from the pillow-case SJM/1, the  tops SJM2, 4 and 5, and the hairbrush SJM/36 belonging to Madeleine McCann or used by her. The hair found on these objects was used in substitution of [in place of] reference samples of her hair, [which were] not considered to be authentic samples of her hair.

 No hair was recovered from the pillow-case SJM/1 nor the hairbrush SJM/36.

 A total number of twelve [12] hairs or hair fragments were recovered from the  tops SJM/2, SJM/4 and SJM/5. All of these appeared to be hair and not down, being mainly blonde in colour. One of the hairs was brown and distinctly darker than the other hairs, suggesting, at the least, that this was a hair from someone else.

 The remaining eleven hairs/fragments varied in length from 4 millimetres to 45 millimetres [~1/8" to ~1,3/4"]. I could not conclude that all hairs were from the same person. If they had been from Madeleine McCann, then they are not representative/typical/characteristic of a sample of her hair, given the length of that seen in photographs of her.

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Cariad

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Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #136 on: December 04, 2013, 01:28:04 PM »
As usual your limited logic, intelligence and general competence let you down.  What you state does not support what you claim.

Why don't you just apologise for whatever it was you did to get yourself banned and ask to be reinstated with your original user name, then play by the rules?

This vague pretending to be someone else is just silly!

AnneGuedes

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Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #137 on: December 04, 2013, 01:29:06 PM »
I follow the Holmes school...
“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”
From the very beginning the opposite was applied : Once you eliminate the possible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
The abductor was walking, and slowly (about 45 minutes to walk 500 m), but the borders of the EU had certainly been jumped over as proven a few days later with sightings of Madeleine everywhere, from the Alaska to the Tierra del Fuego !

Offline John

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #138 on: December 04, 2013, 01:29:53 PM »
Why don't you just apologise for whatever it was you did to get yourself banned and ask to be reinstated with your original user name, then play by the rules?

This vague pretending to be someone else is just silly!

I second that   8((()*/
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline colombosstogey

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #139 on: December 04, 2013, 01:32:06 PM »
Why don't you just apologise for whatever it was you did to get yourself banned and ask to be reinstated with your original user name, then play by the rules?

This vague pretending to be someone else is just silly!

Perhaps he has changed his ID so often he cant remember why he was banned in the first place or with what name he was using... 8-)(--)

AnneGuedes

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Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #140 on: December 04, 2013, 01:39:35 PM »
I second that   8((()*/
Wishful thinking, I'm afraid, people don't change and the nurse isn't a good actor.
See "Why didnt the portuguese police arrest the mccann.." thread, if you had a last doubt.

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Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #141 on: December 04, 2013, 02:43:23 PM »
I second that   8((()*/

Messages need to be simple and clear and not incorrect!
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Offline Albertini

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #142 on: December 04, 2013, 02:53:12 PM »
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The sample was logged into the ORAU system in the usual manner
and, as in all cases, a sample of bone powder was drilled from the
underside of the specimen using a tungsten carbide drill. The powder
weighed 440 mg. The technician performing this procedure noted that
the material did not behave as bone ordinarily would and did not have
the texture that normal bone exhibits. The technician has a great deal
of experience in the sampling of bone (almost 30 years). Because of
this uncertainty, and as a precaution, a small amount of the sample
was combusted to measure the % nitrogen remaining. % N is a good
correlate for protein, which is dominated in bone by collagen, and the
measurement of nitrogen offers a simple test concerning whether the
sample is dateable or not. Low % N means that the material is
essentially un-dateable using radiocarbon.
5.6.20 X (ORAU) reported that the Jersey sample only had
0.6 % N. Ordinarily this is too low to yield extractable collagen of any
quality. Despite our concerns, X requested that a fuller
chemical treatment be undertaken, in an attempt to produce a
result, but although some material was extracted it was demonstrably
not collagenous based
on the analysis of the texture of the material,
the C:N atomic ratios and the similarly significant lack of nitrogen, so
the sample was formally failed and the States of Jersey Police notified

Certainly, the density of the
material is most unlike bone, it is too light. Our conclusion is that this
sample is: a) not bone and b) not human. We are very surprised that
the forensic archaeologist could be so confident and differ in X
identification. We suggested at the time that a further opinion would be
required, but this not considered by X .


So the anthropologists differ in their opinion?? I have quoted the email exchange and Lenny Harper's view on the subject and given the depths of the cover ups, back biting and vested interests going on in Jersey it is not difficult to see why this item caused so much disagreement.

But you miss a very important point.

Let us say for the sake of argument it was a coconut or a piece of wood.

What is to prevent that implement being used to strike someone and kill them and for it to rest next to the victim?

Eddie did not alert because it was bone, he alerted because whatever the item was (and clearly there is a difference in opinion between the experts as to what it is in fact is) had cadaver scent on it.

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Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #143 on: December 04, 2013, 02:54:51 PM »
So the anthropologists differ in their opinion?? I have quoted the email exchange and Lenny Harper's view on the subject and given the depths of the cover ups, back biting and vested interests going on in Jersey it is not difficult to see why this item caused so much disagreement.

But you miss a very important point.

Let us say for the sake of argument it was a coconut or a piece of wood.

What is to prevent that implement being used to strike someone and kill them and for it to rest next to the victim?

Eddie did not alert because it was bone, he alerted because whatever the item was (and clearly there is a difference in opinion between the experts as to what it is in fact is) had cadaver scent on it.

Or, alternatively, he alerted in error, or it was an alert to blood (was Keela deployed on the coconutskull?)
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #144 on: December 04, 2013, 03:11:14 PM »
it only proves too that in their hearts of  hearts they know there was no abductor  and they know the mcanns are guilty  of child neglect at least imo

Well done with your vast improvement of your use of The English Language.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #145 on: December 04, 2013, 03:12:34 PM »
I follow the Holmes school...

Trouble is, there is still a lot of "anti" indications that haven't been eliminated and only Smithman for the "pros"

Logistics, Lovey.  Don't forget Logistics.

Offline Albertini

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #146 on: December 04, 2013, 03:17:26 PM »
Or, alternatively, he alerted in error, or it was an alert to blood (was Keela deployed on the coconutskull?)

Which could be a possibility had he alerted to all the other wood that there was in an excavated Victorian building.

But he didn't.

And if you read the detailed background you can see the uncertainty both with the anthropologists and the carbon dating process in determining actually what the item was.

 

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #147 on: December 04, 2013, 03:20:16 PM »
So the anthropologists differ in their opinion?? I have quoted the email exchange and Lenny Harper's view on the subject and given the depths of the cover ups, back biting and vested interests going on in Jersey it is not difficult to see why this item caused so much disagreement.

But you miss a very important point.

Let us say for the sake of argument it was a coconut or a piece of wood.

What is to prevent that implement being used to strike someone and kill them and for it to rest next to the victim?

Eddie did not alert because it was bone, he alerted because whatever the item was (and clearly there is a difference in opinion between the experts as to what it is in fact is) had cadaver scent on it.

Blood you mean?  Dead bodies don't bleed.  And whoever you think might have hit someone would not have hit a dead body anyway.
So no proof that anyone was dead.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #148 on: December 04, 2013, 03:22:20 PM »
It's nice to see you being nice Eleanor, I'm sure your encouraging words will lift many !

Why, thank you, Pat.  I do try.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why People who suspect the McCanns get so angry at People who do not.
« Reply #149 on: December 04, 2013, 03:34:36 PM »
Dogs are reliable

In his report, Mark Harrison listed cases of success that offered a guarantee of reliability. And he asserted that if the dogs came to signal Maddie's death, then it would be a fact.

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High costs - Mark Harrison stressed the high cost of the dogs. Their daily rate amounted to one thousand euros; the cost of the trip for them and their handlers was of 2750. There was also the cost of the passport for the animals (450 euros), adding to the lodging, the food and the transportation of the vehicles that were necessary for the animals.

False positives – Eddie, the dog that specialized in cadaver odour detection, has never given a false alert. He has participated in approximately 200 searches in homicide scenarios in Great Britain and never signalled any products that derived from meat or any other food item.

Human blood – Keela was trained exclusively with human blood; blood that is subject to strict testing and which comes from hospitals. She locates contaminated guns, smells vehicles and clothing items, and accurately detects residues, even if the locations are subject to cleaning.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.