The crying incident as reported by Kate McCann.

[pegasus]

So why did she sign it then? If it was wrong?

Because sometimes people sign police transcripts without fully reading and checking every detail.
Here is what CT says about the first interview transcript having a date wrong by 28 days:
"I should have read this"

[Redblossom]

Because sometimes people sign police transcripts without fully reading and checking every detail.
Here is what CT says about the first interview transcript which she signed having a date wrong by 28 days:
"I should have read this"

Thanks, but it doesnt mean she didnt give the wrong dates herself in the first place, police not normally that sloppy are they? Not just getting whole months but days wrong as well. CT was in her fifties, so possibly a bit ditsy with memory herself.

[AnneGuedes]

Yes CT made a statement to police on 8th May 2007 and signed the transcript. I don't have the statement itself. But it is clearly referred to in the rog and part of its text is read out so certainly it exists. And BTW the date of CT's arrival was transcribed wrongly (by 28 days!) in that first statement. Just shows how it is possible for a date to be written down wrong even when the witness is not elderly, and even when there is no translator involved.

How do you know that ? Are you sure CT signed the missing (?) document ? It might have been just a note, it's not in the files. The transcripts of the rogs were the responsibility of the LC.  In the case of Mr and Mrs Payne not of the files written statements, the LC PO transcribed a time obviously erroneous.
There's no lost in translation there.
You can't infer from a mistake in transcription that Mrs Fenn heard a child crying on the day that suits your theory (btw when would Mrs Fenn have gone out according to you ?)
Now the person whom Mrs Fenn called on the phone is hopefully still alive in PDL. You have no authority to ask the PJ to check whether your suspicion is based or not, but I think it would not really be invasive to send this person a letter with a question, especially if the justification is to exonerate totally someone.

[AnneGuedes]

It matters if it can prove that a person unjustly accused was it fact telling the truth and genuinely unaware of the crying.

Who is accused ? AFAIK, nobody can be accused if the crime isn't determined.
Of course everybody has their own suspicions, this isn't avoidable. But it's far to be accusations !
Besides, unless you are this person or this person's confident, how do you know where the truth is and where it is not ?

[pegasus]

If a witness says "the 28th" and the police write down "28th May" then that is a police transcription error.

[Redblossom]

If a witness says "the 28th" and the police write down "28th May" then that is a police transcription error.

You need to read it all again to see what a dogs dinner it was and that no way was all the confusion down to police!


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

End of the day, you didnt really deal with my previous question at 5.26pm

[pegasus]

Who is accused ? AFAIK, nobody can be accused if the crime isn't determined.
Of course everybody has their own suspicions, this isn't avoidable. But it's far to be accusations !
Besides, unless you are this person or this person's confident, how do you know where the truth is and where it is not ?

By working it out carefully.
For example by working out that KM and PF statements contradict each other if it was Tue night, but do not contradict each other if it was Wed night.

[AnneGuedes]

By working it out carefully.
For example by working out that KM and PF statements contradict each other if it was Tue night, but do not contradict each other if it was Wed night.

You're a curious person, Pegasus ! Do contradictions make you suffer ?

[pegasus]

IF that transcription is wrong and it was Wednesday the solution is easy.
P hears crying which stops about 2345.
K returns at about 2355 and hears no crying.
No contradiction there.
BTW also staff statement has the late night being Wed not Tue

[Redblossom]

IF that transcription is wrong and it was Wednesday the solution is easy.
P hears crying which stops about 2345.
K returns at about 2355 and hears no crying.
No contradiction there.
BTW also staff statement has the late night being Wed not Tue

So why didnt K or G hear no crying prior to returning that night, ie on their half hourly checks? Or do you think they may not have done any, but thats not what they say

[AnneGuedes]

IF that transcription is wrong and it was Wednesday the solution is easy.
P hears crying which stops about 2345.
K returns at about 2355 and hears no crying.
No contradiction there.
BTW also staff statement has the late night being Wed not Tue

The solution ? Do you mean the solution of the case depends on admitting a transcription mistake or a lost in translation or whatever in Mrs Fenn's statement ?
Go on then, please tell the solution ! I feel that if it's all it takes to reach the solution, I might change my mind about Mrs Fenn's accurate memory or the interpreter's competence.

[pegasus]

IMO the period estimated to last on Wednesday night about 45 minutes by KM (from last check until 1st adult gets home), and the period estimated to last about 75 minutes by PF, are likely to be one and the same.

[pegasus]

The solution ? Do you mean the solution of the case depends on admitting a transcription mistake or a lost in translation or whatever in Mrs Fenn's statement ?
Go on then, please tell the solution ! I feel that if it's all it takes to reach the solution, I might change my mind about Mrs Fenn's accurate memory or the interpreter's competence.

Solution meaning "solution IMO to how PF and KM descriptions of hearing / not hearing the crying are both truthful "

[Redblossom]

IMO the period estimated to last on Wednesday night about 45 minutes by KM (from last check until 1st adult gets home), and the period estimated to last about 75 minutes by PF, are likely to be one and the same.

Sorry, that doesnt make sense at all

45 mins from last check would be a last check at 11 pm by which time the crying is said to have been going on for half an hour! So would have been heard!

Is it me? Or is this getting wierd.

[Estuarine]

Sorry, that doesnt make sense at all

45 mins from last check would be a last check at 11 pm by which time the crying is said to have been going on for half an hour! So would have been heard!

Is it me? Or is this getting wierd.

Not weird but about as pointless as the thread on woofers has become. Only my opinion of course 
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