Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..

[sadie]

On a serious note.  J-P please correct me if I am wrong.



Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #816 on: Today at 12:49:18 PM »
Quote from: sadie on Today at 12:30:47 PM

What sort of people do you mix with Stephen, that you disbelieve everything the Tapas group say?  To do with the Madeleine case, you only disbelieve the Mccanns and their supporters.


... false comment removed ...





Oh, on a lighter note:  We won the Ashes !  That should bring a smile to your face !

Re: ... false comment removed ...   implying that I was lying


Mr Moderator.

Thank you for your private message.  I asked for this to be sorted publicly.  A public accusation requires a public apology and the removal of the accusation

From your PM, I can see that you believe that Amaral is not a criminal per se.  I can also see that you think ** he was unfortunate to attract one conviction for falsefying a document and you think that is a big difference !  You invite me to edit my post accordingly.!  **


I am very aware that the main thrust of this forum seems to be about supporting Amaral at any cost.   
What I said is entirely correct.  He is a criminal for life now ... sorry but it is the truth.  His word cannot be trusted.  He has told a calculated and serious lie to the courts and reaped the punishment.   He is a perjurer.


I am afraid that you are not correct. 
Amaral is technically, and in FACT, a criminal...  See below



http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/criminal
A criminal is someone who breaks the law. If you're a murderer, thief, or tax cheat, you're a criminal.

When you think of criminals, your first thought might be of someone awful like a murderer. But this word is a lot broader — Anyone who breaks the law is technically a criminal, even if the crime is just not paying a speeding ticket.   -snipped-



DEFINITIONS OF: criminal

1
n someone who has committed a crime or has been legally convicted of a crime

Synonyms:
crook, felon, malefactor, outlaw
Type of:
principal
(criminal law) any person involved in a criminal offense, regardless of whether the person profits from such involvement-snipped-





It appears Amaral was trying to change the course of a Criminal trial by falsifying documents.  A very serious crime.  More so because Amaral was a senior Police Officer whose job was to uphold the Law.  He is very lucky to have got off with just a suspended sentence of only 18 months. 

Tbh, I find it hard to believe that you think he was unfortunate to have been convicted of such a heinious crime



I would ask you to re-instate my post, because altho you do not like it, what I said is the truth.  He is a common criminal and no forum should hide the truth. 



And I would be grateful if you would please immediately remove your line  **  ... false comment removed ...   **  which implies that I am lying



I am doubly sorry that this accusation about me was made, because it hurts me and it hurts you too.  Was it Angelo who said it?  He was on forum  at the time and has shown that he has it in for me.

Please leave this up until this time tomorrow, when everyone who has seen the JF public implication of dishonesty, will have had chance to read it

.... or alternatively,  remove the comment, re-instate the post, and make a public apology

Thankyou

sadie

[Jean-Pierre]

Sadie - I dont want to be drawn into the nuts and bolts of this, and also do not want to derail this thread.

But clearly Amaral was tried and found guilty of a criminal offence in a Portuguese court.  His attempts to have the verdict overturned on appeal failed.   The offence was not trivial - it was sufficiently serious to attract a custodial sentence of 18 months, (suspended).  He therefore does have a criminal record. 

[sadie]

Sadie - I dont want to be drawn into the nuts and bolts of this, and also do not want to derail this thread.

But clearly Amaral was tried and found guilty of a criminal offence in a Portuguese court.  His attempts to have the verdict overturned on appeal failed.   The offence was not trivial - it was sufficiently serious to attract a custodial sentence of 18 months, (suspended).  He therefore does have a criminal record.

Thank you J-P.  So I am right that I can properly call him a criminal am I not?

[Mr Gray]

Sadie - I dont want to be drawn into the nuts and bolts of this, and also do not want to derail this thread.

But clearly Amaral was tried and found guilty of a criminal offence in a Portuguese court.  His attempts to have the verdict overturned on appeal failed.   The offence was not trivial - it was sufficiently serious to attract a custodial sentence of 18 months, (suspended).  He therefore does have a criminal record.

Why is it that people should want to deny amaral is a criminal when he has been convicted in court wheras its ok to accuse the mccanns who have been convicted of nothing

[AnneGuedes]

There's a tendency, on this forum and by some poster, to twist anything related to Mr Amaral, a person nobody would care of, had he not committed the sin to doubt the McCann's narrative.
This post by Serendipity went whooshed, don't know why, some days ago (I saved it before).
Amaral was found guilty of a crime of false allegation based on his testimony that it was his belief that the report that Cardoso had submitted was true. Ergo he was convicted on a technicality not because he lied or perjured himself.

It also now transpires that Leonor Cipriano lied about being tortured by the PJ hence having an extra 7 months added to her sentence. So essentially Cardoso and Amaral should never have found themselves in the dock being charged with anything.

[AnneGuedes]

Thank you J-P.  So I am right that I can properly call him a criminal am I not?

[sadie]

Why is it that people should want to deny amaral is a criminal when he has been convicted in court wheras its ok to accuse the mccanns who have been convicted of nothing

POW ! 
 
BRILLIANT OBSERVATION ... 

[Mr Gray]

There's a tendency, on this forum and by some poster, to twist anything related to Mr Amaral, a person nobody would care of but had he not committed the sin to doubt the McCann's narrative.
This post by Serendipity went whooshed, don't know why, some days ago (I saved it before).
Amaral was found guilty of a crime of false allegation based on his testimony that it was his belief that the report that Cardoso had submitted was true. Ergo he was convicted on a technicality not because he lied or perjured himself.

It also now transpires that Leonor Cipriano lied about being tortured by the PJ hence having an extra 7 months added to her sentence. So essentially Cardoso and Amaral should never have found themselves in the dock being charged with anything.

Your spin doesn't work and is derisable...amaral is a convicted criminal..fact

the second part of your post in red is a deliberate attempt to mislead...the court...and amnesty confirm that Cipriano was tortured...thus amaral is just as guilty as it always was...this sort of posts destroys your credibility totally ..imo

[sadie]

Twee !   

[Estuarine]

Why is it that people should want to deny amaral is a criminal when he has been convicted in court wheras its ok to accuse the mccanns who have been convicted of nothing

Dr Amaral was given an 18 month suspended sentence suspended for 18 months so he has now done his time as it were but has a criminal record no arguments there.
Somewhere in all the dross I posted that this issue potentially coming round the corner at the PJ was a more realistic reason for shoving him off sideways than all the conspiracy theories involving Gordon Brown et al. None the less bent copper does not = poor copper; just makes him an unreliable witness for the prosecution because the defence not unreasonably would play the bent copper card so exit stage left Dr Amaral.

[sadie]

Sorry this is so delayed.  Was interupted by other thngs when this was mainly finished.  Am posting anyway.  Please dont let it interrupt the flow of the thread.

I think everyone..including the McCanns accept that maddie is almost certainly dead...there is a very slight chance she may be alive.

I disagree with you here Davel.

1.  Almost for sure that was Madeleine in Zinat, in Morocco, being carried an the man/womans back.  It certainly wasn't Bushra.
[Zinat, in the Rif Mountains of Morocco is at the centre of the cannabis growing region of Morocco.  The cannabis region is vast and it supplies, IIRC at least 50% of the worlds cannabis]
Harems of children are kept in N Africa by European businessmen

2.  The little girl walking around the bank in Molenbeek, Brussels, was almost certainly Madeleine as well.  The little girl, not only looked like Madeleine ..but also.
a)  She had her type of lightly boned figure, movement and mannerisms.
b)  Her kilt colour was very interesting as was her Argll sweater.  That was not a cheap imitation kilt as usually worn by kids.  It appeared a real and quality kilt from the way it hung and moved, which indicates some Scottish connection and considerable wealth.  From the colour, I think I might know what tartan it was, but I aint sharing.
c)  Moleenbeek is the main port receiving Kif (cannabis] from the Rif Mountains
[Molenbeek is the main port for the Cannabis, from the Rif, to be sent to and processed before distributing around the World.]

3.  Madeleine was also sighted in Leh, remote and very high in the Himalayas, India.
[From memory 70 or 80% of all the hashish smoked in India comes into India via Leh.  Leh is on the old silk routes.

So three sightings in the three main Cannabis related places.  That is an enormous co-incidence



Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
— Auric Goldfinger,



For your infoCannabis = kif = hashish = lots of other drug names too.  Maybe Wspam can help with the names?  She seems to know about them

[slartibartfast]

Sorry this is so delayed.  Was interupted by other thngs when this was mainly finished.  Am posting anyway.  Please dont let it interrupt the flow of the thread.
I disagree with you here Davel.

1.  Almost for sure that was Madeleine in Zinat, in Morocco, being carried an the man/womans back.  It certainly wasn't Bushra.
[Zinat, in the Rif Mountains of Morocco is at the centre of the cannabis growing region of Morocco.  The cannabis region is vast and it supplies, IIRC at least 50% of the worlds cannabis]
Harems of children are kept in N Africa by European businessmen

2.  The little girl walking around the bank in Molenbeek, Brussels, was almost certainly Madeleine as well.  The little girl, not only looked like Madeleine ..but also.
a)  She had her type of lightly boned figure, movement and mannerisms.
b)  Her kilt colour was very interesting as was her Argll sweater.  That was not a cheap imitation kilt as usually worn by kids.  It appeared a real and quality kilt from the way it hung and moved, which indicates some Scottish connection and considerable wealth.  From the colour, I think I might know what tartan it was, but I aint sharing.
c)  Moleenbeek is the main port receiving Kif (cannabis] from the Rif Mountains
[Molenbeek is the main port for the Cannabis, from the Rif, to be sent to and processed before distributing around the World.]

3.  Madeleine was also sighted in Leh, remote and very high in the Himalayas, India.
[From memory 70 or 80% of all the hashish smoked in India comes into India via Leh.  Leh is on the old silk routes.

So three sightings in the three main Cannabis related places.  That is an enormous co-incidence



Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
— Auric Goldfinger,



For your infoCannabis = kif = hashish = lots of other drug names too.  Maybe Wspam can help with the names?  She seems to know about them

Tin foil time.

[icabodcrane]

Sorry this is so delayed.  Was interupted by other thngs when this was mainly finished.  Am posting anyway.  Please dont let it interrupt the flow of the thread.
I disagree with you here Davel.

1.  Almost for sure that was Madeleine in Zinat, in Morocco, being carried an the man/womans back.  It certainly wasn't Bushra.
[Zinat, in the Rif Mountains of Morocco is at the centre of the cannabis growing region of Morocco.  The cannabis region is vast and it supplies, IIRC at least 50% of the worlds cannabis]
Harems of children are kept in N Africa by European businessmen

2.  The little girl walking around the bank in Molenbeek, Brussels, was almost certainly Madeleine as well.  The little girl, not only looked like Madeleine ..but also.
a)  She had her type of lightly boned figure, movement and mannerisms.
b)  Her kilt colour was very interesting as was her Argll sweater.  That was not a cheap imitation kilt as usually worn by kids.  It appeared a real and quality kilt from the way it hung and moved, which indicates some Scottish connection and considerable wealth.  From the colour, I think I might know what tartan it was, but I aint sharing.
c)  Moleenbeek is the main port receiving Kif (cannabis] from the Rif Mountains
[Molenbeek is the main port for the Cannabis, from the Rif, to be sent to and processed before distributing around the World.]

3.  Madeleine was also sighted in Leh, remote and very high in the Himalayas, India.
[From memory 70 or 80% of all the hashish smoked in India comes into India via Leh.  Leh is on the old silk routes.

So three sightings in the three main Cannabis related places.  That is an enormous co-incidence



Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."
— Auric Goldfinger,



For your infoCannabis = kif = hashish = lots of other drug names too.  Maybe Wspam can help with the names?  She seems to know about them

You are a fantasist sadie

The typical ramblings above are a discredit to the forum

[Wonderfulspam]

You are a fantasist sadie

The typical ramblings above are a discredit to the forum

Pro abduction, pro McCann propaganda codswallop as per usual.

[Wonderfulspam]

Tin foil time.

No, tinfoil is used for smoking Smack, not cannabis.  That puts tractorman back in the frame.