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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1095 on: June 22, 2016, 08:15:19 PM »
Quite, and I said you arrived at a figure > 0.5.

I haven't arrived at any precise figure...its impossible

Alfie

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Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1096 on: June 22, 2016, 08:26:35 PM »
To tease it out further;

The people involved could be parents, other family members, friends, acquaintances or strangers, or a mixture of some of them. 

Woke and wandered is the only simple variable.

Abduction could be stranger, other family member or acquaintance .
If the people that are involved are the parents then that comes under parental involvement, abducted by anyone else is abduction.  So with woke and wandered that is three options.

Alfie

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Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1097 on: June 22, 2016, 08:29:51 PM »
Madeleine has disappeared.  There are three possible reasons why.  To say that the likelihood that she was abducted is 0.0000017  begs the question what is the likelihood of the other two explanations, according to the great mathemetician in our midst?

Offline sadie

Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1098 on: June 22, 2016, 08:57:29 PM »
I am waiting to see if a supporter can come with a post that refutes the probability using maths rather than just saying "rubbish".  It might be a long wait but I am up for it.
The probability has been posted on this very thread about three years ago by a another poster complete with cite... ?{)(**

To give such ridiculously low odds (was it 0.00017 ?) as 0.0000017, when there already is one child that we know WAS abducted from her home (from her bath) + Ben Needham from his garden .... and several others abducted in very close proximity to their homes ... is patently rubbish

Sorry Alice but you cant wrap that up with statistics.   

stephen25000

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Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1099 on: June 22, 2016, 08:58:46 PM »
To give such ridiculously low odds (was it 0.00017 ?) when there already is one child that we know WAS abducted from her home (from her bath) + Ben Needham from his garden .... and several others abducted in very close proximity to their homes ... is patently rubbish

Sorry Alice but you cant wrap that up with statistics.

Then perhaps Sadie, you can provide us with the percentage of missing children that have been abducted.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1100 on: June 22, 2016, 09:04:58 PM »
Then perhaps Sadie, you can provide us with the percentage of missing children that have been abducted.

#the percentage is of no relevance....it seems alice is quoting the odds of maddie being abducted prior to her disappearance...quite misleading

Alfie

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Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1101 on: June 22, 2016, 09:05:21 PM »
Let's say for argument's sake that the likelihood of a woman being abducted as she walks down the street is 100,000 to one.  Now, does that mean that the likelihood that Claudia Lawrence was abducted is 100,000 to one too?  8(*(

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1102 on: June 22, 2016, 09:06:37 PM »
Let's say for argument's sake that the likelihood of a woman being abducted as she walks down the street is 100,000 to one.  Now, does that mean that the likelihood that Claudia Lawrence was abducted is 100,000 to one too?  8(*(

precisely...

Alfie

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Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1103 on: June 22, 2016, 09:15:58 PM »
Sorry, inappropriate use of smiley, I meant to use this one... &%+((£

Offline sadie

Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1104 on: June 22, 2016, 09:30:12 PM »
Then perhaps Sadie, you can provide us with the percentage of missing children that have been abducted.

Of course I cant.  None of us know just how many children have been abducted from their homes.  We are just scratching the surface on this forum.  There will be many more that we have never heard of.

But it is patently obvious with the few instances that I have mentioned that 0.0000017 is totally wrong.  That figure is plainly rubbish.

Remember that Alice was quoting for the likelihood of Madeleine being missing from abduction, rather than from walking out or being murdered. 

He is not quoting for any child that might be abducted from the worlds population of non-missing children.  Even then I doubt he is right.


Where did your statistics go wrong, Alice?


I hate statistics,  They can be made to falsely prove anything, just by slight alterations to the basic info fed in.


Oh, and they put me to sleep  6&%5%



To remind you of Alices statistical prediction, which was following on from discussion about the likelihood of Madeleine having died in accident or the other possibilities for her being missing. 

He changed the basic data fed in or he guessed at a figure, cos it couldn't in his wildest dreams have come out at 0.0000017

Abduction by stranger probability 0.0000017.
I am sure someone can show it isn't with appropriate cites and calcs. etc if it isn't.

If Alice stands by this figure perhaps he can provide us with his calculations.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1105 on: June 22, 2016, 09:42:32 PM »
To give such ridiculously low odds (was it 0.00017 ?) as 0.0000017, when there already is one child that we know WAS abducted from her home (from her bath) + Ben Needham from his garden .... and several others abducted in very close proximity to their homes ... is patently rubbish

Sorry Alice but you cant wrap that up with statistics.

I am not quoting statistics I am quoting probabilities.

Did any of you hear about the book maker who died lonely and poor because he did not understand the difference between probabilities and statistics ?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1106 on: June 22, 2016, 09:46:09 PM »
I haven't arrived at any precise figure...its impossible

In that case it is impossible to make an assertion that abduction was odds on
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1107 on: June 22, 2016, 09:47:38 PM »
In that case it is impossible to make an assertion that abduction was odds on
not at all

Offline sadie

Re: Statistically...what are the chances that Maddie was abducted..
« Reply #1108 on: June 22, 2016, 09:58:26 PM »
In that case it is impossible to make an assertion that abduction was odds on

Not at all.

1.  Despite Amaral and you guys trying to make some reasons other than abduction, there is nothing at all to point towards anything else.  Amaral misunderstood or chose not to take any notice of the so called alerts ... and a number of you are still making out that the dogs alerts were meaningful.  They weren't.  Suggest you get up to date.

2.  Two men were seen carrying a little girl in PdL.  Both were walking fast and NEITHER was COMING FROM THE DIRECTION OF A CRECHE.   Children being carried from the direction of a crèche was quite commonplace  .... but neither of these men were doing that,.  That is a red flag to me.

3.  all charges (soz don't remember the correct word) against the Mccanns have been dropped by the PJ and judiciary

4>  By their actions SY have shown that they have no interest in the Mccanns being involved in any way.

Weighing all these factors up, abduction IS ODDS ON