The Find Madeleine Campaign. Controlled Strategy or Runaway Tiger?

[Sherlock Holmes]

You must be kidding, SH.
Madeleine is the only victim and it has not (yet) been established of whom.
Would you call the jemmied shutter/window untruth an "imperfect choice" ? And would you call the open shutter/window version for the PJ a "perfect choice" ?

Well first of all I don't think Madeleine is the only victim. If you hurt a child, you hurt the parents. A child's pain is a parent's pain. In fact, they McCanns could be suffering even more than Madeleine. Perhaps Madeleine is living with a family who treat her reasonably well and is blissfully unaware of the suffering her parents are going through. (Unlikely, but possible). Or perhaps she is no longer alive, in which case her pain has ended. The McCanns' daily torture continues.

With regard to the 'perfect' and 'imperfect' , I will explain by saying that Madeleine has already vanished. Nothing can be done to alter that fact. The McCanns had choices with regard to their conduct after that day, and they made a lot of mistakes, one being their strong need to persuade people that they haven't made any mistakes.

To me this is an Achilles heel for them. If they had admitted mistakes they would have gained a great deal more sympathy and public support. More effort could have been put into a search (in whatever form) rather than energy being expended in fighting those who dared to go against them. And that would have increased the chances - maybe - of their daughter being found.

Nothing new in what I'm saying, I know. Just noting the tragedy - and the irony.

[AnneGuedes]

imperfect choices? Like chosing to leave their three infants alone night after night, like unlucky one was alledgedly abducted, like unlucky the cadaver dog signalled only in their place, like unlucky some PIs stole half a million quid off them, like unlucky no one was looking for madeleine not police not no one.....etc etc like unlucky in so many things, come on......are they cursed or something?

Let's hope their spy on this forum (MW revealed they have) reads this. They'll be "delighted" by the multiple victims label.

[CPN]

Well first of all I don't think Madeleine is the only victim. If you hurt a child, you hurt the parents. A child's pain is a parent's pain. In fact, they McCanns could be suffering even more than Madeleine. Perhaps Madeleine is living with a family who treat her reasonably well and is blissfully unaware of the suffering her parents are going through. (Unlikely, but possible). Or perhaps she is no longer alive, in which case her pain has ended. The McCanns' daily torture continues.

With regard to the 'perfect' and 'imperfect' , I will explain by saying that Madeleine has already vanished. Nothing can be done to alter that fact. The McCanns had choices with regard to their conduct after that day, and they made a lot of mistakes, one being their strong need to persuade people that they haven't made any mistakes.

To me this is an Achilles heel for them. If they had admitted mistakes they would have gained a great deal more sympathy and public support. More effort could have been put into a search (in whatever form) rather than energy being expended in fighting those who dared to go against them. And that would have increased the chances - maybe - of their daughter being found.

Nothing new in what I'm saying, I know. Just noting the tragedy - and the irony.

Agreed totally.

Also do not forget the siblings will be suffering.  When I worked in the Children's hospital, we referred parents of patients to an organisation called "Compassionate Friends", who had a special siblings section, as the siblings are so often forgotten with all focus on the parents

[John]

Any more unpleasantness and bans will be invoked.  No further warnings will be given.

[AnneGuedes]

Well first of all I don't think Madeleine is the only victim.

As far as we know (not much), Madeleine is the only victim. As far as we know the agent of her fate is unknown. It might be a stranger, it might be one parent or both. Without evidence this is open. 
That does by no way mean that her parents didn't suffer from her loss. They did.
Would you say a parent is a victim if smacking his/her child, the child falls on a hard surface and breaks its crown ? In a way that parent is a victim, a victim of anger perhaps ? But following that logic everybody is a victim.

[Mr Gray]

Well first of all I don't think Madeleine is the only victim. If you hurt a child, you hurt the parents. A child's pain is a parent's pain. In fact, they McCanns could be suffering even more than Madeleine. Perhaps Madeleine is living with a family who treat her reasonably well and is blissfully unaware of the suffering her parents are going through. (Unlikely, but possible). Or perhaps she is no longer alive, in which case her pain has ended. The McCanns' daily torture continues.

With regard to the 'perfect' and 'imperfect' , I will explain by saying that Madeleine has already vanished. Nothing can be done to alter that fact. The McCanns had choices with regard to their conduct after that day, and they made a lot of mistakes, one being their strong need to persuade people that they haven't made any mistakes.

To me this is an Achilles heel for them. If they had admitted mistakes they would have gained a great deal more sympathy and public support. More effort could have been put into a search (in whatever form) rather than energy being expended in fighting those who dared to go against them. And that would have increased the chances - maybe - of their daughter being found.

Nothing new in what I'm saying, I know. Just noting the tragedy - and the irony.

I find this type of comment very unfair...its like the woman who goes out...has  a few drinks too many and gets raped...some people have little sympathy with her and say it was her own fault....others blame the rapist

[Sherlock Holmes]

As far as we know (not much), Madeleine is the only victim. As far as we know the agent of her fate is unknown. It might be a stranger, it might be one parent or both. Without evidence this is open. 
That does by no way mean that her parents didn't suffer from her loss. They did.
Would you say a parent is a victim if smacking his/her child, the child falls on a hard surface and breaks its crown ? In a way that parent is a victim, a victim of anger perhaps ? But following that logic everybody is a victim.

Yes, I hadn't though of that. If her parents  physically harmed her, they can hardly be considered victims. (Except in the psychological sense).

[AnneGuedes]

The McCanns had choices with regard to their conduct after that day, and they made a lot of mistakes, one being their strong need to persuade people that they haven't made any mistakes.

Why ? That would make sense if they were primary, easy to manipulate poor fellows.
How do you justify for instance the disastrous Metodo 3 ? They complain about the PJ insufficiencies (euphemism) and simultaneously keep under contract pathetic caricatures of what a PI is ! You may of course argue that the money spent doesn't come from their pocket, but is that a serious argument ?

[Mr Gray]

Yes, I hadn't though of that. If her parents  physically harmed her, they can hardly be considered victims. (Except in the psychological sense).

 At the moment her parents are innocent...have been extensively investigated and haven't even been arrested...they are victims

[Redblossom]

I find this type of comment very unfair...its like the woman who goes out...has  a few drinks too many and gets raped...some people have little sympathy with her and say it was her own fault....others blame the rapist

Not at all....the mccanns said what they did was ok....its ok to leave three babies on their own out of ear and eyeshot....they even promoted it by default

[CPN]

I find this type of comment very unfair...its like the woman who goes out...has  a few drinks too many and gets raped...some people have little sympathy with her and say it was her own fault....others blame the rapist

But if people acknowledge the role they may have played in an unpleasant incident (as well as any other person) it does create more sympathy, like it or not.  Another quote! - "And oftentimes excusing of a fault doth make the fault the worse by the excuse." - William Shakespeare

[Mr Gray]

Not at all....the mccanns said what they did was ok....its ok to leave three babies on their own out of ear and eyeshot....they even promoted it by default

 If I said the pope was a catholic I would expect you to disagree.

[Redblossom]

If I said the pope was a catholic I would expect you to disagree.

No i only challenge lies and tosh.......happy new year



 

[AnneGuedes]

Yes, I hadn't though of that. If her parents  physically harmed her, they can hardly be considered victims. (Except in the psychological sense).

If intentionally, no way the parent is a victim. But if one parent physically unintentionally harmed his/her child, is s/he a victim of bad luck ?
For such a parent I feel an enormous compassion.
The "victim" notion imo should be restricted to very precise cases.

[CPN]

If I said the pope was a catholic I would expect you to disagree.

davel - just because people disagree with you on one matter, it does not mean they are talking nonsense in general