Did the burglaries at Ocean Club have some relevance to Madeleine?

[VIXTE]

Thats NOTHING to do with burglaries....but do tell what three  yr olds are trafficked for.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10390183/Girl-smuggled-into-Britain-to-have-her-organs-harvested.html

Stats for the UK

70 (13%) were aged up to nine years old-
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/resourcesforprofessionals/childtrafficking/child-trafficking-statistics_wda96895.html

[VIXTE]

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That is not my theory... but it is possible that the certain thief gets an order for a child.. if it is paid well he wouldn't care what it is..


When Greek authorities recently searched for the parents for the little Greek girl found in the gypsy camp.. thousands of parents from all over the world contacted the Greek police, checking whether she was their child.. this only tells how many children are uncounted for..

[pegasus]

is it possible for a burglary to trigger an accident?

[John]

is it possible for a burglary to trigger an accident?

As I posted yesterday, burglars do not target occupied properties normally.  They certainly avoid any houses where there are likely to be kids present.  Even if some accident occurred it is very unlikely a burglar would take a child with them.   They usually scarper pronto!!!

[pathfinder73]

Agreed I don't believe the burglar theory of abducting Madeleine. There were a lot of comings and goings past the apartment from 9pm onwards. There were more regular checks on this night than any other which is interesting in itself.

[sadie]

Agreed I don't believe the burglar theory of abducting Madeleine. There were a lot of coming and goings past that apartment from 9pm onwards. There were more regular checks on this night than any other which is interesting in itself.

How do you know.  Were you there?

[pegasus]

did the apartment look like anyone was in?

[pathfinder73]

How do you know.  Were you there?

Opportunity was limited. Any watchers would be foolish to attempt it. Smithman worked alone and he was no desperate burglar carrying a child through streets.

Gerry was talking to Jez outside apartment.
JT was outside 9.10-9.15
MO & ROB leave tapas 9.25
MO check 9.30
JT leaves tapas 9.38
ROB arrives back at tapas 9.45
Kate leaves tapas 9.50

[VIXTE]

is it possible for a burglary to trigger an accident?

Joanna Yeates case: Her killer Vincent Tabak claimed he 'accidentally' killed her, by making her stop screaming..i.e. by pressing his hand over her mouth..

[Benice]

As I posted yesterday, burglars do not target occupied properties normally.  They certainly avoid any houses where there are likely to be kids present.  Even if some accident occurred it is very unlikely a burglar would take a child with them.   They usually scarper pronto!!!

But neither is it unknown for burglars to torture, sexually assault or even kill people found to be in the house.  We've seen several such crimes on Crimewatch over the years.

One of the most effective deterrents against burglary is to keep a large dog.   I know that because an ex-burglar said so on a Crime Prevention Radio Prog a few years ago.     People being present are less of a deterrent than dogs.

[VIXTE]

Didn't the Mrs Fenns burglar come in while she was in? The burglar was disturbed by Mrs Fenn?

[John]

Didn't the Mrs Fenns burglar come in while she was in? The burglar was disturbed by Mrs Fenn?

That's what's known as a sneak thief, an opportunist.

[John]

But neither is it unknown for burglars to torture, sexually assault or even kill people found to be in the house.  We've seen several such crimes on Crimewatch over the years.

One of the most effective deterrents against burglary is to keep a large dog.   I know that because an ex-burglar said so on a Crime Prevention Radio Prog a few years ago.     People being present are less of a deterrent than dogs.

Burglars and sex offenders are two different animals.  They hate each other as much as decent people hate them.

You are spot on about the dog but a Yorkshire Terrier can be just as useful as an Alsatian or a Doberman.

[VIXTE]

That's what's known as a sneak thief, an opportunist.

So how do we know that the same 'sneak thief' wasn't the same person who was in the building on April 17th, April 26th and May 3rd?
April 26th and May 3rd, for example.  being both Thursdays?

[John]

Opportunity was limited. Any watchers would be foolish to attempt it. Smithman worked alone and he was no desperate burglar carrying a child through streets.

Gerry was talking to Jez outside apartment.
JT was outside 9.10-9.15
MO & ROB leave tapas 9.25
MO check 9.30
JT leaves tapas 9.38
ROB arrives back at tapas 9.45
Kate leaves tapas 9.50

Assuming for a moment that she was abducted, then timing was indeed critical.  The comings and goings made it an extremely risky strategy so someone wanted to get her really badly.  The time was running out, the family were due to leave in a couple of days so the pressure was on.  I would say that they were being observed probably most of the day and evening in order to determine when would be the best time to strike.

The hap-hazard manner in which the checks were being done presented a major problem for an abductor. He was extremely lucky not to have been caught but then that brings us back to the Tanner sighting.