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Redblossom

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #210 on: January 16, 2014, 07:42:37 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on January 16, 2014, 07:25:40 PM
Worse that that - guilty of neglect and very bad parenting if they were found to be 800 metres away leaving 3 children in an unlocked apartment. You would definitely want to keep that secret at all costs.

Yes I know, but nothing near a death circumstance overand above any other circumstance....the fact the mccanns have lied is well documented in several scenarios

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Offline j.rob

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #211 on: January 16, 2014, 07:47:29 PM »
Quote from: Redblossom on January 16, 2014, 06:40:22 PM
Doesnt mean Mrs Fenn  said it...hairdressers gossip to be investigated? I dont think so lol....and anyway what if they were at chaplins, whats the big deal...well apart from them being miles away from the kids

Well, despite your nonchalance, she made a police statement. She has no particular reason to lie. And actually it is quite a big deal that the parents were a long way from their children because, according to the McCanns, that enabled a paedophile abductor to steal Madeleine from her bed.

I think that is quite a big deal.

I don't think that is exactly what happened - or at least not in the manner the McCanns and their friends said and not at the time that the claimed.

But, your glib comments are incredibly shallow.
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Offline j.rob

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #212 on: January 16, 2014, 07:50:04 PM »
Quote from: Redblossom on January 16, 2014, 07:12:03 PM
Yes it  would mean they lied but thats it

Err....the parents lied.....that's quite a big deal, right? If they can lie about that what else can they lie about?

Well, in my opinion, they have lied about pretty much everything.......and they have had a good old laugh about it with their mates as they assume that everyone else is stupid.

Well, like I said, their arrogance is more than astonishing.
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Redblossom

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #213 on: January 16, 2014, 08:35:44 PM »
Quote from: j.rob on January 16, 2014, 07:50:04 PM
Err....the parents lied.....that's quite a big deal, right? If they can lie about that what else can they lie about?

Well, in my opinion, they have lied about pretty much everything.......and they have had a good old laugh about it with their mates as they assume that everyone else is stupid.

Well, like I said, their arrogance is more than astonishing.

We all know they are liars.100 per cent no denying all total liars.......but not sure what they  are lyng about
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Offline Benice

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #214 on: January 17, 2014, 12:33:58 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on January 16, 2014, 06:26:25 PM
Me neither but that Chaplins lead should be investigated as it came from Fenn's hairdresser. Phone calls just before 10.30 possibly in 5A on her last check and then she leaves to fetch Gerry away from the tapas bar if she thought he was flirting with that young woman. Chaplins probably was investigated but there's nothing in the files?


It  never ceases to amaze me how quickly Sceptics are so willing to  throw common sense, logic and reasoned thought out of the window in their desperation to demonise the McCanns and their friends.

There are no statements from the Bar staff of Chaplins about the McCanns  - because the McCanns were never there.  It's a forum myth.

There are no statements from any members of the public saying they saw the McCanns and/or their friends at Chaplins because they weren't there.   It's a forum myth.

There are no statements from the Tapas Restaurant staff  to say that on one particular evening the McCanns and their friends changed their routine and all left early to go to elsewhere (Chaplins) - because they didn't  - it is a forum myth.       According to the bar staff the only night the group changed their routine and stayed later than usual  was on the 2nd May.

There are no statements from the McCanns or their friends to say that they ever went to Chaplins - because they didn't  - it is a forum myth.

Amaral never mentions that he thought the McCanns and their friends ever went to Chaplins because he knows they didn't.   It's a forum myth.

That is why there is nothing about Chaplins in the files.  Because it's a myth.       

FGS  - accept it and get over it.  It didn't happen.  It's a myth.











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icabodcrane

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #215 on: January 17, 2014, 12:38:17 AM »
Quote from: Redblossom on January 16, 2014, 07:12:03 PM
Yes it  would mean they lied but thats it

I think j rob makes an important point Red

The McCanns,  and their spokesman,  Clarence Michell,  have long proclaimed it an  affront   to question anything at  all that they claim to be the truth

When there are instances where the McCanns  are shown  to have been 'less'  than truthful,  then the whole,  "questioning Kate and Gerry's honesty is ludicrous"   protestation,   becomes non sequitur
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Offline Benice

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #216 on: January 17, 2014, 01:03:32 AM »
Quote from: icabodcrane on January 17, 2014, 12:38:17 AM
I think j rob makes an important point Red

The McCanns,  and their spokesman,  Clarence Michell,  have long proclaimed it an  affront   to question anything at  all that they claim to be the truth

When there are instances where the McCanns  are shown  to have been 'less'  than truthful,  then the whole,  "questioning Kate and Gerry's honesty is ludicrous"   protestation,   becomes non sequitur

Doesn't it ever puzzle you why the SY team (made up from professional experienced police officers)  can't see what you can see?

If SY believed that the McCanns lied - they would not have said they are not suspects or even persons of interest.    What is your reason for thinking you know more about the McCanns, their friends and this case than they do?



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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #217 on: January 17, 2014, 01:06:38 AM »
Benice, Why are you calling it a forum myth? The source is the hairdresser in the youtube chile documentary footage that according to her came from Pamela Fenn. She could be mistaken but it's a lead worth following up if it hasn't already. If it's not in the files how do you know if it was investigated or not.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

icabodcrane

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #218 on: January 17, 2014, 01:10:16 AM »
Quote from: Benice on January 17, 2014, 01:03:32 AM
Doesn't it ever puzzle you why the SY team (made up from professional experienced police officers)  can't see what you can see?

If SY believed that the McCanns lied - they would not have said they are not suspects or even persons of interest.    What is your reason for thinking you know more about the McCanns, their friends and this case than they do?

Benice,  neither you,  nor I,  nor anyone else here,  has any  idea  what Scotland Yard  'see'  in this case

Do you really believe they are sharing  the details of their on-going  multi-million pound investigation with  us  ?   
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Offline Benice

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #219 on: January 17, 2014, 01:15:06 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on January 17, 2014, 01:06:38 AM
Benice, Why are you calling it a forum myth? The source is the hairdresser in the youtube footage that according to her came from Pamela Fenn. She could be mistaken but it's a lead worth following up if it hasn't already. If it's not in the files how do you know if it was investigated or not.

If the McCanns and their friends had spent time at Chaplins - there is a large number of people who would have come forward to verify that.     No-one has.      Where is the witness statement from this person you mention?
Where is your common sense?


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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #220 on: January 17, 2014, 01:17:30 AM »
Who said their friends were there? Only the McCann's were mentioned.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Benice

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #221 on: January 17, 2014, 01:21:43 AM »
Quote from: icabodcrane on January 17, 2014, 01:10:16 AM
Benice,  neither you,  nor I,  nor anyone else here,  has any  idea  what Scotland Yard  'see'  in this case

Do you really believe they are sharing  the details of their on-going  multi-million pound investigation with  us  ?

I know there is no way they would make such a statement that 'Neither the McCanns or the people who were with them are either suspects or persons of interest in this case'' if that wasn't the truth.   What would they lie?  Why would the Oporto team indicate the same?    Why not just say nothing?

To think otherwise is venturing so far into the 'Wishful thinking' zone as to qualify as '[ censored word ]s'  IMO.










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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #222 on: January 17, 2014, 01:27:20 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on January 17, 2014, 01:17:30 AM
Who said their friends were there? Only the McCann's were mentioned.

The McCanns must have been the most recognisable people on the planet considering the press coverage.  Do you really believe that not one single person either working at Chaplins or being there as customers would not have recognised them - and come forward?      I ask again - where is the common sense?


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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pegasus

Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #223 on: January 17, 2014, 01:37:02 AM »
IIRC Mrs Fenn was certain the period she heard crying started at 10.30pm, because the BBC news had just finished on TV?
We do not have her statement in the original English, only its Portuguese translation, which says Tuesday.
If there was some kind of mistranslation or mixup and it was Wednesday, then the 10.30pm to 11.45pm period she stated would fit very well indeed with the adults being late home Wednesday (tapas barman statement).
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icabodcrane

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Re: Mrs Fenn and that crying child incident revisited.
« Reply #224 on: January 17, 2014, 01:40:17 AM »
Quote from: Benice on January 17, 2014, 01:21:43 AM
I know there is no way they would make such a statement that 'Neither the McCanns or the people who were with them are either suspects or persons of interest in this case'' if that wasn't the truth.   What would they lie?  Why would the Oporto team indicate the same?    Why not just say nothing?

To think otherwise is venturing so far into the 'Wishful thinking' zone as to qualify as '[ censored word ]s'  IMO.

I don't  'wish'  that the McCanns were suspects  ...  I really don't

When Redwood was  asked whether  the McCanns  (  or their friends )  were on the  list of  'persons of interest'  he  had  to respond   ...  and a  "No comment"   simply wouldn't have cut it   (  there would have been a media frenzy resembling a shark feeding   ) 

Redwood knew that ...  and you do too 

We simply don't  know what is really going on with this investigation at the moment 

Quite properly so,  in my opinion

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