The Ian Horrock's Report on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

[Benice]

I'm not sure that Mr Grime would recognize here his talk about his dogs' abilities.. Has he for instance said that "it depends on how long they were made to search" or is that purely IYO ?
It's a question of concentration of VOCs in the air, Benice.

I think it was pretty clear by the ''IMOs'' at the end of my first 2 sentences that those were my opinions.

 

[AnneGuedes]

I think it was pretty clear by the ''IMOs'' at the end of my first 2 sentences that those were my opinions.

No, it was not clear at all that it was your interpretation of Mr Grime's words. And it wasn't because actually you didn't quote Mr Grime at all. Had you quoted him, you could add whatever you felt like.

[Cariad]

It depends on how long they were made to search IMO.   That was made patently obvious in the car seaches IMO.      But we have done all this before - and so no point in going over and over the same ground again. I have based my posts on what Martin Grime has told us about his dogs abilities - they are not my claims they are his.

So why have you added IMO to every line then?

Shouldn't that be IMAMGO?* I put it to you that your posts are not Martin Grime's claims at all. In fact they are nothing like Mr Grime's claims. The complete opposite.

I suggest you edit out your wildly inaccurate claim that Martin Grime claims his dogs will always alert given time on the scene.


*In my and Martin Grime's opinion.

[Redblossom]

So why have you added IMO to every line then?

Shouldn't that be IMAMGO?* I put it to you that your posts are not Martin Grime's claims at all. In fact they are nothing like Mr Grime's claims. The complete opposite.

I suggest you edit out your wildly inaccurate claim that Martin Grime claims his dogs will always alert given time on the scene.


*In my and Martin Grime's opinion.

 

IMAMGO...now theres a nice new brand name for..... something lol

[Benice]

So why have you added IMO to every line then?

Shouldn't that be IMAMGO?* I put it to you that your posts are not Martin Grime's claims at all. In fact they are nothing like Mr Grime's claims. The complete opposite.

I suggest you edit out your wildly inaccurate claim that Martin Grime claims his dogs will always alert given time on the scene.


*In my and Martin Grime's opinion.

I didn't add IMO at the end of each line.

My OPINION that alerts are connected to timing is shown in the Car searches where Eddie spent less than 30 seconds on all of the other cars, but was called back to give his attention to the Renault for a full 2 minutes.

How do we know that Eddie would not have alerted if he had been made to spend the same amount of time on the other cars?

After 30 seconds no other car had been alerted to.   After 30 seconds the Renault also had not been alerted to.

For the test to be unbiased the same amount of attention and TIME would have to be spent on each car.

It is Grime's claim that his dogs can detect odours from decades ago and from the minutest traces.

Unless you believe all of the other cars were miraculously sterile and never came into contact with any alertable 'material '- like blood for instance - since the day they all left the factory - then going on what Martin Grime claims,  Eddie had the ability to detect such residual odours - no matter how small and many years after they had been deposited.

There is one major, indisputable difference between the nine other cars and the Renault before an alert was made - and that is the amount of TIME spent on them.   And that is a FACT not an OPINION..







   


 

[pathfinder73]

I didn't add IMO at the end of each line.

My OPINION that alerts are connected to timing is shown in the Car searches where Eddie spent less than 30 seconds on all of the other cars, but was called back to give his attention to the Renault for a full 2 minutes.

How do we know that Eddie would not have alerted if he had been made to spend the same amount of time on the other cars?

After 30 seconds no other car had been alerted to.   After 30 seconds the Renault also had not been alerted to.

For the test to be unbiased the same amount of attention and TIME would have to be spent on each car.

It is Grime's claim that his dogs can detect odours from decades ago and from the minutest traces.

Unless you believe all of the other cars were miraculously sterile and never came into contact with any alertable 'material '- like blood for instance - since the day they all left the factory - then going on what Martin Grime claims,  Eddie had the ability to detect such residual odours - no matter how small and many years after they had been deposited.

There is one major, indisputable difference between the nine other cars and the Renault before an alert was made - and that is the amount of TIME spent on them.   And that is a FACT not an OPINION..

You know why Eddie was brought back to the car? Because that's when his behaviour changed as he passed it as you can clearly see in the video. He's found the scent and is chasing it with his nose up in the air between the 2 cars trying to locate it. Grime brings him back because of this change in Eddie's behaviour which he recognises straight away being his handler all his life.

[VIXTE]

You know why Eddie was brought back to the car? Because that's when his behaviour changed as he passed it as you can clearly see in the video. He's found the scent and is chasing it with his nose up in the air between the 2 cars trying to locate it. Grime brings him back because of this change in Eddie's behaviour which he recognises straight away being his handler all his life.

So, Grime is trusting his instinct here?

Something like psychic powers?

[pathfinder73]

So, Grime is trusting his instinct here?

Something like psychic powers?

Grime is the expert but I can clearly see Eddie's change in behaviour when passing the car and chasing the scent. I can't believe how anyone can't see it!

They confirmed it was the key because they buried it in a bucket of sand on the far side of the garage and Eddie found it and alerted. So the scent was coming from that car.

[j.rob]

Sniffer dogs are used in all sorts of situations. They are highly trained. They clearly caught a scent. Taken as part of a much bigger picture - inconsistent statements; an insistence on stranger abduction as opposed to any other possible scenario; hiring their own detectives; hiring reputation managers and media spin doctors, it adds up to a very poor outlook for the McCanns. Very poor indeed.

The McCanns and their spin doctors do their very best to negate the experts and professionals who find their version of events unconvincing. But I am afraid that the succeed in digging a bigger and bigger hole. They must practically be in Australia by now - perhaps in search of a mystical sighting as far way from Praia de Luz as possible.

[Benice]

You know why Eddie was brought back to the car? Because that's when his behaviour changed as he passed it as you can clearly see in the video. He's found the scent and is chasing it with his nose up in the air between the 2 cars trying to locate it. Grime brings him back because of this change in Eddie's behaviour which he recognises straight away being his handler all his life.

Not in my opinion.   Eddie treated the Renault no differently to any other car in the first 30 seconds - i.e. he showed no interest in any of the cars including the Renault.    It was not his behaviour which changed when it came to the Renault it was Martin Grime's behaviour, which is also clearly shown in the video.  IMO

Sorry - Must go out now.

 

[AnneGuedes]

There is one major, indisputable difference between the nine other cars and the Renault before an alert was made - and that is the amount of TIME spent on them.   And that is a FACT not an OPINION..

This is a fact, yes, but what you deduce of it is purely your opinion and has no basis whatsoever. The trouble is that you present it like a fact, spreading a myth once more, Benice.

[Redblossom]

So, Grime is trusting his instinct here?

Something like psychic powers?

Not quite! Its called knowledge experience and observation from training and deployment over the years.

[AnneGuedes]

Not quite!

[VIXTE]

I haven't had time to read it all but I would add some more options into this guys theory

1. That Madeleine witnessed something and therefore was eliminated
2. That Madeleine was taken by a lone mentally unstable person ( the worst scenario!)
3. That an accidental burglar held Madeleine in the apartment at the moment of Matthew Oldfield's check-up and he accidentally killed her by trying to silent her. He then took her body out to cover up
4. That Madeleine was stolen to order