Author Topic: Innocentman came forward in 2007!  (Read 52209 times)

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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2014, 08:32:29 PM »
To be more precise, apart from the fact of Madeleine's disappearance, there is no evidence of anything.

Unless there is the proverbial bolt from the blue, such as a confession, nothing is like to change.

There is virtually no evidence of anything, no.

As to your second statement, this is where we all have to keep an open mind. I actually think that there is a very good chance that we could learn more about what happened. That's not to say we'll get to the bottom of things. But between developing technologies in forensics and the persistence with which the McCanns and others are holding on to this case, there is a good chance someone is going to discover something somewhere along the line.

There is also the matter of shifting loyalties. Someone who may have been quiet for whatever reason could decide to come forward in time, as circumstances change.

The smallest piece of information or evidence can change our entire understanding.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2014, 08:35:46 PM »
Well, that thought crossed my mind as well, Sherlock..Who were any of these men?  But it still doesn't matter.  Unless one of them can be prevailed upon to admit to abduction seven years on. But I certainly wouldn't.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2014, 08:36:03 PM »
Has someone written a handbook on how to deal with anything after your child has been abducted?

No, and I think the McCanns should be given a great deal of leeway in this regard.

Nonetheless there have been oddities. Not the kind of oddities that incriminate them, as some suggest, just mistakes with regard to handling the media that may have been counterproductive to their quest to find their daughter. IMO.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #78 on: January 25, 2014, 08:38:14 PM »
What do you mean ? Death ?

No, I mean something going wrong in the way the actual abduction was executed that would explain why someone would have to walk through the town rather than use a car.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #79 on: January 25, 2014, 08:41:37 PM »
Excellent news for the McCanns ! You disagree also with DCI Redwood !

I don't disagree with his information - the information he used in order to rule out bundleman - because I don't know what that information is.

I do disagree with his logic:  the 'logic' that because bundleman is out, Smithman is more likely to be in.

There may be some cases where A is ruled out and therefore we are left with B.

But that is not the case here, because there are many more than two possibilities.

Simples  8**8:/:
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #80 on: January 25, 2014, 08:44:54 PM »
No, and I think the McCanns should be given a great deal of leeway in this regard.

Nonetheless there have been oddities. Not the kind of oddities that incriminate them, as some suggest, just mistakes with regard to handling the media that may have been counterproductive to their quest to find their daughter. IMO.

Oh do come on.  Just desperation.  Great sadness and great guilt.  There isn't any known way of how to deal with this.
But damned if they do and damned if they don't.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #81 on: January 25, 2014, 08:47:19 PM »

I do disagree with his logic:  the 'logic' that because bundleman is out, Smithman is more likely to be in.

What about the little blond one with one abductor and not with the other ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #82 on: January 25, 2014, 08:47:36 PM »
Oh do come on.  Just desperation.  Great sadness and great guilt.  There isn't any known way of how to deal with this.
But damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 there isn't any known way to handle the media...the McCanns needed to use the media....and the deal is the media have used them

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #83 on: January 25, 2014, 08:48:29 PM »
What about the little blond one with one abductor and not with the other ?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Anne...

AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2014, 08:49:16 PM »
No, I mean something going wrong in the way the actual abduction was executed that would explain why someone would have to walk through the town rather than use a car.
Facts prove that it went extremely well whatever the reason why it did.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2014, 08:50:27 PM »
I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Anne...
One showed a couple of legs, the other showed a little blond fair girl.
DCI's choice is therefore very understandable.
Besides he couldn't find no father coming from the nightcreche, using that street at that time..
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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2014, 08:51:35 PM »
Oh do come on.  Just desperation.  Great sadness and great guilt.  There isn't any known way of how to deal with this.
But damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I do agree with this, Eleanor. And Kate McCann herself admits that as they have never been in this position before they are likely to not get everything right.


Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #87 on: January 25, 2014, 08:52:54 PM »
One showed a couple of legs, the other showed a little blond fair girl.

Well, legs normally imply a person attached....

But not blond, however...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #88 on: January 25, 2014, 08:53:45 PM »
Can you say with 100% certainty Madeleine  did not have an accident which led to her demise ?

Meanwhile of course there is zero evidence of ABDUCTION.

The sight, allegedly of course of a man carrying a child does not mean abduction.

Likewise, you cannot say that the Mccanns have expounded the whole truth of the events which transpired.

As I have said before Stephen this is a "celestial teapot" argument...but you have made it that many times that I think "celestial crackpot" is more apt

AnneGuedes

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Re: Innocentman came forward in 2007!
« Reply #89 on: January 25, 2014, 08:54:22 PM »
Well, legs normally imply a person attached....

But not blond, however...
Innocentman's daughter has dark hair whereas the Smithman's daughter was surely blond.