Innocentman came forward in 2007!

[Anna]

It is a little worrying that SY on crimewatch make no mention of geography re JT's sighting. Mr Redwood has been to PDL. Has he actually walked the route from night creche to innocentman's apartment?

I worked out apartment number of innocentman, not definite but good chance it correct. Sorry not giving apartment number because it give identity and I do not agree with the predatory nature of part of the UK press, but based on this location, and assuming innocent man was coming from the night creche near 24hrrecepion near Rua Direita........

(A) If he goes direct to apartment, he does NOT pass through the T junction JT saw him, however he DOES possibly pass within view of JT's route, in a different place, a little earlier on JT's route.

(B) If he takes a circuitous route so that he ends up heading eastwards into the T junction as described by JT, his most direct route home from that T junction is to turn RIGHT (South) at that T junction, towards JT and GM and JW.

So do you think JT saw someone else and not innocentman.?

[AnneGuedes]

Please don't apologise as you're correct. That is what Kate said but maybe she was in fact tired after just finishing her run. I think the dogs got Madeleine's walking back from the tapas trail the next day around the path.

The next day she had disappeared.

[pathfinder73]

It is a little worrying that SY on crimewatch make no mention of geography re JT's sighting. Mr Redwood has been to PDL. Has he actually walked the route from night creche to innocentman's apartment?

I worked out apartment number of innocentman, not definite but good chance it correct. Sorry not giving apartment number because it give identity and I do not agree with the predatory nature of part of the UK press, but based on this location, and assuming innocent man was coming from the night creche near 24hrrecepion near Rua Direita........

(A) If he goes direct to apartment, he does NOT pass through the T junction JT saw him, however he DOES possibly pass within view of JT's route, in a different place, a little earlier on JT's route.

(B) If he takes a circuitous route so that he ends up heading eastwards into the T junction as described by JT, his most direct route home from that T junction is to turn RIGHT (South) at that T junction, towards JT and GM and JW.

Yes it' strange but there's no way I can believe that SY have made the biggest blunder ever! They must have covered all this extensively about the route he took, the reasons why etc. I don't think Jane saw Smithman if she's telling the truth but I still can't believe Gerry or Jez didn't see her flip-flopping past them.

[AnneGuedes]

That's right, they(dogs) ended up at D block

No. There's no D block.

[pathfinder73]

The next day she had disappeared.

I mean next day dog tracking being the 4th. Found her scent at tapas entrance from 5.30 on the 3rd.

[Anna]

No. There's no D block.

Well, The other side of the road then

[pathfinder73]

Well, The other side of the road then

Yes that's the shortcut path route which they used to take Madeleine to the crèche.

[AnneGuedes]

I mean next day dog tracking being the 4th. Found her scent at tapas entrance from 5.30 on the 3rd.

It's imperative to launch the dog from the last point where the missing person has been seen. This is the only way to know the direction taken, because the dog will always go from the oldest scent towards the freshest.
The dog was in the dead end at the lamp post because the scent he had picked up and had been following had at least two days. But at the lampost he finally picked up the tea time scent towards the secondary reception.

[pathfinder73]

It's imperative to launch the dog from the last point where the missing person has been seen. This is the only way to know the direction taken, because the dog will always go from the oldest scent towards the freshest.
The dog was in the dead end at the lamp post because the scent he had picked up and had been following had at least two days. But at the lampost he finally picked up the tea time scent towards the secondary reception.

Thanks Anne for the information. They should have done one starting from the tapas to find her last known outdoor route back to 5A.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes it' strange but there's no way I can believe that SY have made the biggest blunder ever! They must have covered all this extensively about the route he took, the reasons why etc. I don't think Jane saw Smithman if she's telling the truth but I still can't believe Gerry or Jez didn't see her flip-flopping past them.

There's no way DCI Redwood can have any doubt about ruling out bundleman as a suspect.

This was his  'Revelation Moment', remember.

They would look like the stupidest people in the world if they got that wrong.

[icabodcrane]

I get lost in the  minutiae of this case  sometimes  and feel the need to refocus on the particular point raised

In this instance,  it is the claim that the man Jane saw on that fateful night  presented  himself to  someone early on   (  six years ago  )   

So who did he present himself  TO 

who has known,  for all this time,  that Jane Tanner did  NOT  see Madeleine being abducted  ?

 

[Anna]

There's no way DCI Redwood can have any doubt about ruling out bundleman as a suspect.

This was his  'Revelation Moment', remember.

They would look like the stupidest people in the world if they got that wrong.

I think the ruling out of the holiday maker was correct, but what if it was someone else JT saw ?

[Sherlock Holmes]

I get lost in the  minutiae of this case  sometimes  and feel the need to refocus on the particular point raised

In this instance,  it is the claim that the man Jane saw on that fateful night  presented  himself to  someone early on   (  six years ago  )   

So who did he present himself  TO 

who has known,  for all this time,  that Jane Tanner did  NOT  see Madeleine being abducted  ?

Good evening, icabod. We were discussing this in the early pages of this thread...Anne alludes to their being questionnaires given out by LC to English tourists at the resort but that Bundleman's answers were not forwarded on to Portugal along with some of the other completed questionnaires as LC judged according to his answers that he was not a suspect. (If I understand correctly).

I certainly don't think we have  got anywhere near the bottom of this issue and I'm glad you've directed things back. The whole thing astonishes me.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I think the ruling out of the holiday maker was correct, but what if it was someone else JT saw ?

So now we've got Three fathers walking with shoeless children that night...

Was there a shoe crisis in PdL that week?

And where were the mothers?

[pathfinder73]

I think the ruling out of the holiday maker was correct, but what if it was someone else JT saw ?

So now we've got Three fathers walking with shoeless children that night...

Was there a shoe crisis in PdL that week?

And where were the mothers?

Tannerman was holding the child differently to Smithman and going in the opposite direction to where he was later spotted. There's no way Smithman is walking around PDL for 45 minutes with Madeleine. We have to take JT's word that she is telling the truth but it wouldn't stand up in court. It's impossible for her to brush past two people on a quiet deserted street without being seen or heard wearing flip flops. I would love to see that reconstruction.